Let's shape future of this group

Hm, for me every opportunity to learn something new from English is good enough. But may be Am i an exception? :) It is you who interprets every my utterance as an attack.
-- (Jonathan):
Thanks rudolf that you try to give us your opinions even if you can't speak english very well with a translator, we will grabb every word its making wrong and tell you so because we are so awesome people!

-- (Julitka):
And, as I know, we cannot "speak" a programming language. :)
#digression

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So are you telling me c can't do more and better and practicable stuff than bgt?

-- (Julitka):
What options do you mean if I proved you the only you mentioned didn't work?

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But what are we talking about? The programming language cannot rename files. I don't mean to deliberately point out ignorance, but we've come to this discussion. Not everyone has to be a programmer, and the ability to write scripts is certainly very useful and not very widespread.
It's just that if there are arguments about the programming aspect of the project, it is difficult to discuss it without appropriate knowledge in the subject.

xd lol.
-- (Jonathan):
So are you telling me c can't do more and better and practicable stuff than bgt?

-- (Julitka):
What options do you mean if I proved you the only you mentioned didn't work?

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I personally recommend you all, especially jonathan, to come down. I think nobody want attack ous here, and I didn't understood it not as an attack. it's just a discussion.

and I kinda don't understand how we made this offtopic in the last 120 posts. we was talking about the elten english comunity and that elten has maybe a feew to much bugs and is hard in developing... and now we are at bgt, c, c++, python, rubi and ranking and facts from gith ub?

my example was, that you have way more options with c, example: bgt is not even able to rename files or do other stuff, I won't count them here because I have such such a bad knowledge!
Nothing more.

-- (pajper):
But what are we talking about? The programming language cannot rename files. I don't mean to deliberately point out ignorance, but we've come to this discussion. Not everyone has to be a programmer, and the ability to write scripts is certainly very useful and not very widespread.
It's just that if there are arguments about the programming aspect of the project, it is difficult to discuss it without appropriate knowledge in the subject.

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with able I mean, has no functions to do so. You can do it with ways, but there is no, like function, option. However you wanna name it. but, yea, anyways.

The situation of the BGT language is a little different because technically it is not a programming language, but a scripting language. The scripts run in a sandbox written by the creators of BGT.
Then we have interpreted languages such as Python, Ruby, C# and PHP. These languages also run in an environment that translates their instructions into processor instructions.
The last group are languages that operate on the machine code layer, such as C. These languages are compiled into actual processor instructions.

To summarize, it looks like this:
* A language like BGT is limited by the software in which it is run, it does not create programs, but scripts, something like Jaws scripts for example
* A language such as Python or Ruby runs in a virtual machine that translates its commands, so it requires an interpreter for a given hardware platform, but it also has unlimited possibilities
* A language such as c runs at the processor instruction level and can produce the resulting binary code, so it does not require any interpretation and can be run directly on the core

Cool, that was really interesting, thanks for this informations, didn't knew this!

That is why I suppose some more experienced programmers should talk about coding Elten.
And you may ask me, and your question is correct and interesting, why am I adding my three pences to it. It's just only cause I am a friend of pajper from more than 5 years. He's so a gig that I must have learned something from his explanations. :D

inded, interesting to know.
-- (Jonathan):
Cool, that was really interesting, thanks for this informations, didn't knew this!

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Well, my topic and willing in this was never to talk about pprogramming elten or not, thats the thing of the developer, wich language whatever. I do experience bugs, and I do experience people saying things and nothing is happening at all, but well, to come back on topic, can we now, that pajper is finaly active in the topic, maybe, talk about the future about the group. what the structure will be. How people could help, and I don't mean as moderator, but in general here, and about all the things this was created for?

yeah. totally agree. we should come back to the topic and see what we do with the english comunity because idk.
-- (Jonathan):
Well, my topic and willing in this was never to talk about pprogramming elten or not, thats the thing of the developer, wich language whatever. I do experience bugs, and I do experience people saying things and nothing is happening at all, but well, to come back on topic, can we now, that pajper is finaly active in the topic, maybe, talk about the future about the group. what the structure will be. How people could help, and I don't mean as moderator, but in general here, and about all the things this was created for?

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Well, in this situation the only think people can do for me as a Polish users looking from the backstage is not to spam and talking nonsense. The problem is that noone wishes to become a real, responsible admin here. Mods are inactive. It is you who shoul take care for the group, indeed.

Of course as community members / users we do what we can, we don't spam or send non sence stuff etc. Otherwise you don't see the english forum, as quiet as it is now. But as Charlie said before, there can always be trouble makers. And if that happens, what can we do as users? We need active administraters and moderators to stop them of course.

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write it. better?
-- (neptune):
Speak this language? Huh?
-- (rudolf):
like I said already. I am the opinion, that bgt can still counted as an bgt programming language because there are a lot of projects still in it. sure, some projects are going away from BGT like golden crayon, sulvive the wild and so on, but that not means that BGT is no programming language anymore. sure, it will die at any point but maybe is already dying, but in any cases, I think a user who can speak bgt, a programming language, can be counted as programmer. and no, I don't think that I am a programmer since I am, like I already said it, learning it. so, yeah.
-- (Julitka):
I appreciate the sincerity and understand you totally. But if the only language you know can be BGT, it's quite risky to talk about much larger projects and languages from the perspective of a programmer. Cause you are not yet a programmer.
-- (rudolf):
because it makes fun to make little projects in bgt and the other programming languages are kinda to large for myselv.
-- (Julitka):
Well, ekhm, so why do you learn it? Just for fun or the prestige of knowing any language? Wouldn't it be much more useful to know C, Python or that "shamy" Ruby instead?
-- (rudolf):
um, um... bro I just say nothing anymore to this topic/to the discussion about bgt besides that:
bgt is a programming language. it's outdated and only for blindis so it has no ranking on github because to less users are using it because there also sighted users on github. *sighs
-- (Julitka):
Pajper, can you please place it in the ranking you showed us?
-- (rudolf):
lol bro it can? only because it is outdated that means not that it losts it's status of a programming language.
-- (Julitka):
BGT unfortunately cannot be counted as a real programming language. :( Sory to say.
-- (rudolf):
I know how I google something. anyways. like I said already, I am slowly learning bgt and I have tbh really no patience to learn now also rubi. and also, I heard that only from a user in a group. that means not that I also agree to it. just saying.
and what you mean with that? "Ok, that's a very good argument."
-- (balteam):
Ok, that's a very good argument.
but you can also use google.com
Just write something like "how to program in ruby", "ruby guide"
I even found materials in polish language.

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broooo, we allready talked about that. read the topic till the end and then say something, please, please don't bring it up again.

No. I said something now. And also there. Removed it. You 2 happy now? SMILES SMILES? LAUGHING Laughing? HAPPY?