I think it was @281 but I can't remember exactly now. But it was regarding my comment about human nature. I never said that Pajper has to work harder because he's a volunteer and I'm not sure where in my post I said that. I said that he said that he'd make changes to this forum within a few days or weeks at most. A month there abouts has passed so people are perfectly within their right to be curious. Yes we understand you've taken up a volunteer position, but at the same time you made the commitment. Not us. Even if you can't make it for whatever reason it wouldn't take much energy out of you to jump in and post and say "Hey guys, I'm sorry but there's been a delay because of X Y Z reason, I'm sorry". I mean, he clearly has time to engage in this discussion, right?

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lol, but I heard from someone that there is no guide for rubi...
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I heard from someone that kids don't need a voice in any discussions, and sometims i thing that he was right when he told it. Really? Google not hurts. Check before you say something stupid.

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only because it is outdated that means not that it losts it's status of a programming language.
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But if something is outdated can working slover than another new tings, also can have a lot of security vulnerabilities documented or not. BGT is for make games, not for creating apps. Remember also that this language generating a lot of false positives in any antivirusses.

if it helps you to make offtopic and unhelpful comments, then there you go!

and this discussion about bgt is since a long time stopped.

Keep calm all you talking again about BGT and Ruby, ok? It will definitely help, talking about community's help. :p
As for pajper's contribution and deadline, I personally can't understand why has he decided to take care for this group, as he doesn't have enough time to do some more urgent things and there you're right in some way, he should not take more than he's able. But, on the other hand, he cannot do anything more than making this group in order in his free time, which is much better that all this spam and insulting that took place here before. He had to react, as there were too much aggression.

If English Community is ready for that, you should make a legal voting for a new, responsible administrator. Present candidates, make a new survey and choose the winner who could choose the staff himself. But, as for now, I can't see anybody reasonable enough. :p

Ye, I agree, even Pajper could stop focusing on this forum and new mods will solve all problems in threads.
If someone wants to be a mod, he needs to write what he wants to do with this forum, maybe he should write something about new rules.
or at the beginning everyone has to write to Pajper and later he will decide who can go to the next stage.

Something like elections for a new Polish community mods which was 2 times.

idk, I think we should make it like that:
up to 20 people can send pajper a pm with a certain keyword in the title so that pajper don't ignores it without that he wants that because he gets to much messages.
then, pajper starts a poll wich goes 2 weeks or a month or something, and when the poll is finished he creates another with the 10 best moderators from the other poll, and the best voted 3 users get a moderator rank. and pajper will stay admin.
done.
what do you think of the idea?

I may be a representative of pajper. I suppose it may help him. Remember, please, that he has too many things just now to do. And remember, please, that your choice is your choice. If something goes wrong with the admin, it is your affair, not ours.

But pajper needs to accept this decision anyway. And I suppose much more English users should express themselves here in this topic.

As far as I remember, either in this same topic, or in a different one, we had a guy who tried to help Pajper with server stuff, he was under the user Cyrmax. I'm with him almost 24:7 and I know for a fact noone has reached out to him.

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1. Elten is also guided by a non-profit organization. :D NVDA keeps so well only because of many volunteer programmers wo contribute. Why Elten does not, regarding its presence on Github just from the beginning?
2. Learning another language for a programmer is not an obstacle. Or, at least, should not be.
In Poland if you're hired by a company, you shouldn't ask if their product can be rewritten, cause you on't know the language. They would laugh on you so much. A good programmist should be flexible enough, that's what I know.
3. If you cannot contribute to the app itself, which I personally still cannot understand, why won't you contribute to server optimization? I believe it is not all about Ruby itself.
4. And still, Ruby is not an unpopular language. If it were, I wouldn't see so many job offers for ruby devs.
5. Well, to be honest, i can't understand this: "The fact of the matter is you volunteered. You made the choice to commit to this and you gave a timeline, even if only tentatively. There's nothing wrong with people to expect you to keep to your word. That's not being ungrateful, that's human nature.
". If that's human nature, I do not understand and accept human nature. If you mean we volunteered and that is why we should do even more, only because we all are volunteers, including dev, that's quite illogical, isn't it?
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The NVDA allusion is flawed on so many levels. The only reason NVDA has so few devs is due to NV access status as being a non-profit. They can only hire devs from Australia. Of course, in the grand scheme of things Australia is a small country population wise and NVDA itself is a pretty obscure programme. So of course it'll have a few blind developers. As for Ruby, objectively speaking it's a pretty neesh language as well. Sure it's used but Python, C# ETC is significantly more popular. While you may not get full scale employed programmers, if it were coded in one of those other languages you would have gotten people who could have at least tweaked the minor bugs while you do the heavy lifting. So I suppose I don't quite see your argument here.
As for the main point I think it's very reasonable to expect some kind of update as to the situation regarding the English forums. Things have cooled down for now but the fact of the matter is the English forum is still a car with a block on the X with no driver. We're only safe for now because we're driving down a straight road with no obsticles, but what happens when we encounter an obsticle? Also, I'm frankly tired of seeing people use the volunteer excuse as a cop out whenever the slightest bit of pressure is applied. The fact of the matter is you volunteered. You made the choice to commit to this and you gave a timeline, even if only tentatively. There's nothing wrong with people to expect you to keep to your word. That's not being ungrateful, that's human nature.

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Yes, voting for the English community admin is also a goal of mine, but first I wanted to sort out the discussions in these groups a bit, especially regarding the development of Elten. Ultimately, I would like to have all bugs and suggestions in separate threads, so that I can refer to them and discuss them - one large thread causes a lot of confusion and is useless in practice.
When I'm done with this, I'll explain my concept and recruit for an administrator.

As for cyrmax, I either missed it or I didn't see programming support offered anywhere.

I'm genuinely curious to know how we do all this when we don't have a leader? Pajper took away the administrator status of everyone, no one is a moderator, Pajper is the only one who can do anything in the English community at the moment. So now there is not even as much discipline as before, which is to be congratulated. Since we don't have a common leader, users don't know who to trust, we don't have anyone to make the list of new candidates. I would be happy to help, but you have taken the tools out of my hands, for which I am somewhat grateful anyway.

-- (Julitka):
If English Community is ready for that, you should make a legal voting for a new, responsible administrator. Present candidates, make a new survey and choose the winner who could choose the staff himself. But, as for now, I can't see anybody reasonable enough. :p

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Yes, I am aware of that. I really hoped it would be much shorter. :(

The biggest problem with Ruby is not that it is not popular. Because out of five hundred million projects, one and a half million may be written in Ruby, but to the best of my knowledge it's not very modern anymore. BGT hasn't lost its programming language status either, but it's not up to date, it's not recognised by antivirus software, so anyone who runs BGT programs on their computer automatically agrees that the developer can write any virus into the program, because games written in BGT are usually immediately thrown into exclusions by users. No such problem with Ruby, but it is out of date, with one and a half million projects out of five hundred million meaning practically nothing. The topic is interesting anyway, I'm curious to hear the opinions of other programmers as well.

I mean, I don't intend to criticise the program at all, I've been here since 2018, trying to help where I can. I've made a lot of mistakes over the years, that's a fact, and there's no way to deny it. But the style that some people on this thread allow themselves, I have never understood. I'm not a sponsor either, but I've never emphasized the role of money to the extent that Marc has. The program is far from useless, it's just buggy, which can certainly be fixed. Of course, it would certainly be better if Elten was not written in Ruby, because more people could help and contribute. I've heard of the Kotlin programming language as well, and you can ask the aforementioned Cyrmax about it, because as far as I know, he knows it to an extent. Admittedly Python is much more popular than Ruby, and as mentioned above, NVDA has so few contributors not because there are so few blind programmers, but because they can only hire people from Australia. If they could find 100 programmers in Australia alone, they could find thousands in the whole of America and Europe. But Elten is unfortunately not very popular for that.

Following this, you are suggesting that PHP or C# are not popular because they are lower in this ranking. Or that Swift isn't popular because it didn't make the top ten at all.
Every programming language in these ten, and probably even fifteen, is an extremely popular, mainstream language. Each of them has huge communities behind it and is used in gigantic projects.
And a small trivia, GitHub itself is written in Ruby. :) Likewise Zendesk, Shopify, Netflix, Soundcloud, X (formely Twitter), Bloomberg, GoodReads, Groupon, Kickstarter, Twitch, Indiegogo and many more.

Holy shit yall must have a lot of, freetime :p. I was only in school and singing after and I come back to like 100 new posts only today? So that's about not having time then Lol!