If more people want an election an election should be made.

Yeah I'm in favour of holding an election

I don't like removing posts but stop complaning about it work with the dude so he can get the fuck out if he pleases no point in talking about removing posts when it appears as if he got your point.

how are we going to work with him if he's removeing the post's that's allowing us to work with him?

Generally agree, how ever, he stopped removing posts for over 24hours now, if i didn't miss something. Needles to say one last time though, he derailed a completely respectful discussion by doing so till the point it is bayont repair now.
(khalil2009):
how are we going to work with him if he's removeing the post's that's allowing us to work with him?

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Derailed it enough I saw people who wanted to be admin retract their candidacy. I believe.

Yes, that was me who said that, and i still stand for that.
-- (CritterPup):
Derailed it enough I saw people who wanted to be admin retract their candidacy. I believe.

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for now at least. woch him call these post's Insulting, sooner or later

To be honest, i would go as far as saying, the actions in this thread where the final insult that made me decide to leave this place.

I will be sincere at every moment. Without meaning to offend, I will say just a couple of words. Deleting messages is good if something really deserves to be deleted. I didn't see the previous discussion, nor do I want to see it for the simple fact that it no longer makes sense to do so. Another thing, the developer is good at certain things, and makes mistakes in others. For me, this, right now, was a mistake. Another thing that is a very personal opinion is that if this happens again, the community will no longer be able to be helped nor will these problems be solved.

wow, we got in less than 20 hours 10 new votes.

Hi! I'd like to comment a bit on the text boxes.
I'm going to answer all your opinions. We have 92 votes now, if there are more by February, I'll write answers to them as well.
I will group the similar answers as one.


1.
Putting the forum aside for a moment, what three changes do you see that would allow for greater inclusion of the non-polish community in Elten?

A.
: The English (and other) website needs to be updated, more moderators should be appointed, and appeals and promotions should probably be made to get a better userbase.
: Very good, and hard, question. Surely a complete english website, a greater, no child userbase that you can actually talk to, since we have way to many children in here, also including more thought through forums considering how much the polish have, and a good rules system including better comunication between staff in groups, user warnings and bans you can set for a period of time, etc.
: Maybe, putting more work into the English website, which would help more people become aware of Elten. I can't think of two more.
: This question makes me wonder how Klango became so popular. Saying that, it was only popular in Poland, the English-speaking nations and Germany really. I can only think of one thing right now that would make it better finding people who have the time to represent Elten actively in more countries. Back in the Klango days, the social networking aspect was so different compared to today as well, which could be the explanation as to why things are as they are with Elten now.

As for the English website, the topic is very broad. First of all, the current site was written in PHP, yes PHP, when I was 16 years old. It is not very suitable for use even in Polish, or rather it is very limited. It also does not contain the slightest possibility of translation.
What we really need is a new website. But there's no way I could do this without giving up on developing the program, which is also a common request. I can't split up.
So, yes, I absolutely think it's very important, but unfortunately I don't see how we can make it happen right now.
And just to be clear, the Polish community also considers the site unusable. Well, actually, it is. It is not suitable for work, you can read forums and reply there, although with some difficulties. There is messaging support, but it's very primitive. And that's it.

As for promotion, I agree, but I don't know what I could do. I live in Poland and I don't know the international community, so I don't even know who to contact.


B.
: I see one but important, better contact with developer or at least administration team
: English people in the Council of elders, giving up to date informations also outside the polish groups, because when you look into it, there is stuff I have never seen or heard about elten anywhere bevore. In general, be mmore open to people, to feedback, because currently, there is no serious place to share it. Inform us why you do things, what you do, so we can build up a good connection again and understand problems and decisions.
: More support from staff, better forum catigories, and more comunication from the development team
: it would be cool if you pajper would be more reachable. right now this is only awayable for sponsors. also, it would be cool if not only people who are in the polish groups get reports and the website should be translated to english. there stands right now only that the site is under construction.
: We need better contact with developer, answers to issues.
: As english speaker I felt being a second rate, this should be improved by more engagement of our community in Elten..
: Create a multilingual centre for discussions on the shape of Elten, with bugs reporting, suggestions etc.
: We should be more involved in development, for example I don't ever know if pajper reads beta testing group.
: I think we deserve better communication with the administrator. I don't mean reaction time, but any reaction at all. Give us the rules for submitting issues if you want, but refer to them then.
: The same priority to Polish ad English events etc.
: 1 create a beta testing group only in english and you will write everything there, someone could create it on polish and other languages, if github helps you a lot, I mean save your time, consider it and later explain people how to use this platform. 2 We have to encourage people to create their own groups, especially in other other languages than polish and english, maybe later these groups will be recommended. 3 We have to show more elten features for other users, not so many people know that you can write wordpress blogs here, do a lot of interesting things on conferences and so on
: Much better, we have translations, for example, but the Polish Community is still clearly favored.

These are very important topics and let me say a little more about them.

Yes, I would like to involve the international community in the development of the program and I would not like to discriminate against it.
However, for a long time it was the case that the Polish community was the largest and, also, the most diverse. Even the poll results repeatedly mention the immaturity of many users of the English community. Of course, this does not apply to everyone, but the problem is visible and there is no point in arguing about it.
On the other hand, the Polish community is more active than all the others put together. Meanwhile, many Polish-speaking people do not speak English. The proposal to introduce discussion of bugs only in English resulted in a strong protest on the Polish forum.

At the same time, I know that the current arrangement is not fair. I would like to break it, but I don't know how. Closing the discussion about community development on Polish forums will cause this development to slow down dramatically, because the number of perspectives, opinions and research will drastically decrease.
At the same time, currently only people who speak Polish are up to date, which is not right.

So I'd really like to do something about it and I'm very, very open to discussion, but I don't see a viable solution, at least at the moment.


C.
: Make the premium package a permanent thing instead of expiring after a year.
: more free features

The problem is that we pay for servers every year, not once. So this won't solve the problem of keeping Elten on line.


D.
: Having more events for the elten english community, keep us more included and updated on what you are doing with the program, and not hiding the community for those who are curious about either language so they could intermingle. The last thing I said may be erelavent, but I haven't seen a way to access any other communities but english.
: Translate the WebUI and online presence to make it multilingual, sort group by language (e.g. by tagging so someone can select all tags s/he understands and only see relevant groups), built-in translation capabilities for things like descriptions that were not yet translated

It's actually possible. You can select languages you know in your account settings and, on list of groups, check to hide or show groups of other languages from context menu. :)


E.
: Inclooding persons of other Languages in the elders councel.

I don't see a point here, to be honest. We just need to work with administrators of foreign groups in my opinion.


F.
: some people use macOS and have told me they would like to see an elten client on macOS.


I'm not planning it currently as it would be writing a new software indeed. I hope that mobile client and website in the future will close this issues.


G.
: Good marketing and promotion, a reliable and functional tutorial for new users who might need it and a mobile app
: This platform NEEDS!!! a mobile app. Needs with emphasis. I realize that developer time isn't cheap and that there are challenges, but seriously, this user base is tiny to begin with, and if you want to expand beyond a few dozen blind kids with a computer, a mobile app is the least that can be done here. That is all I have for you.

As you know, the work on mobile app is undergoing, but unfortunately very slow. But I see no option to make it faster without halting development of Windows client that , as many of you pointed, is not an option.


H.
: Having more communication from the developer. Keeping politics and religion out of discussion or user status. That's all what I can think of.

To be honest, I don't see a point in preventing users from presenting their views, as long as they are not harmful to others.
We should learn to discuss even if we have different opinions. It's as I see it.


I.
: The lag is bad. This is the most annoying thing about this app, other than that it's nice. Updates take a while, etc. Maybe a mirror server or something would be helpful?

We need to make more research on it and get some data. I haven't this problem at all.


J.
: translation of posts in other languages if this is possible.

I don't get the point. Do you mean built-in translator?


K.
: I'm not sure really, maybe a standard documents of rules that isn't turms of use because no one reads stuff called turms or anything, but I'm not sure what else
: reducing the spam, taking the trollers and drama makers and rude Marchhoffmann subject to rules as well as declearing strong rules which are only constructive, for example respecting opinions of others even if not accepted, adding rules against current homophoby on elten. I guess those would be effective enough though.

Those are up to the future administrator. :)


L.
: More languages.

As for me, I know only polish and english. If anyone is interested in translating Elten, I very welcome to contact me.


L.
: Well, I do not look at the Polish elten community, as I do not speak that language, however, I believe deleting posts from people that complain about something that I share that others may find useful might be a good idea.

I don't understand it. Is this sarcasm?



2. Comments, doubts

A.
: Sir charlie is, in my opinion, not quite suited for administrator role, as he does not seam to get some basic concepts regarding administration. Also on other platforms, he is known for having a lot of ties to toxic folks like gcw, he also has a hashtag in his signature that suggests he shall be unbanned(don't know how ironic that is mend though, #TakeGCWOutOfTheNursinghome). For reference, that user god banned because he said stuff like a user should rather stop breathing because the oxygen could be going to another person. Also it is his 3rd ban due to things like that, so wellfounded permaban in my opinion.
: Sir Charlie Is no good Administrator. Look at his (recent) History and you'll see this.
: ser chair le isn't not even that good admin do to his last post's
: I appreciate this being done. I can see why this took some time here, since this is long and well thought through. Just wonder what my native language matters haha. And the reason why I chose ser charly right now is that I don't see anyone in here that is better honestly. Like running a second election wouldn't lead to anywhere if we're all being honest.

Personal comments. I very much welcome you to discuss it in a thread called "Candidacy of Sir-Charlie as English Community Administrator".

B.
: I have just read the topic associated with this poll and there are no words for it. I wish this programme well, but the user behaviour is uncommentable and I feel sorry for the developer. I have the impression that only an incendiary grenade will help here.
: I saw a thread about this poll and I will say this: it makes no sense. I don't know whether pajper was right upon deleting posts, but users responded with such contempt and insults that even if he had made a mistake, they made a hundred times bigger one. I thought Sir-Charlie's candidacy was good option, but after what I saw I don't believe it anymore.
: I feel sorry for pajper. I may get irritated with him sometimes, but behavior towards him on the forum is outrageous.
: Just ban offending users, like karmien, CritterPup, Jonathan. In the thread about this study they showed that they can't live without drama.
: I feel sorry for the developer. It must hurt like hell when you try to fix something and Eltenchildren kick your ass.
: Do not stick around, just remove offensive content by some users, including from threads about this poll. If they recidive, they will be banned. Gentle requests will not help.
: I mean well, but, pajper, it makes no sense. You see how pathetic the approach is, it is a waste of your nerves and time.

Thanks for your support.
Observing the effects of the previous intervention, I am refraining from further interventions for now, at least until the situation worsens or until conclusions are drawn.
I immediately mention the same to those who report these posts to me and ask for them to be removed.

As for the claims that the community is in decline, the number of responses to the poll shows that there is hope. :)


C.
: It looks very bad when you clean an english group for months and when you say that you don't have time, it doesn't help at all, because of it,, please, don't try to do again, we have to find admin and he will do his job, really, you don't have to. ps. Maybe it will be a good idea to give programmers a sponsor package for programming? For example 1 small error, and you will get 1 week sponsor package if someone does something special, he will get it for longer.

Yes, I absolutely agree on it.


D.
: The forum is clunky and slow. The account system needs to be refined and have the feature of easily changing and verifying someone's username. Bans need to be more effective, as there are till stupid people about who haven't been delt with as has been talked about.

As for lagging, note is above, worth to check it.
As for bans, we all need to discuss future rules of this community.


E.
: I think it is highly important for Elten to grow in users. New users will change the vibe on the forum. Also there needs to be looked at the conference rooms, the main english one is toxic in my opinion.

It's the responsibility of a future administrator. :)


F.
: I think there will be more users on elten once the mobile app gets releast.

Answered above.


G.
: so for the election I feel we need to come to agreement of how it should be run to not have to have simular ishues we have had prevously.

Yes, I agree. We need to consider how to make it through.


H.

: I wasn't exactly sure about the administrator question but whoever it's going to be I hope they use their role responsibly
: I just want this community to be better and just want people to have a fun time being in it
: I still see a good future for Elten. Sure, there are rotten eggs as there are in other social platforms and situations, but with a spirit of as much harmony as is humanly possible, I believe this program and platform will go forward, and I look forward to seeing changes and growth!
: I think if people could learn to debate or get less personal, things could be better for all of us. If we could be more tolerent, and kind to one another. Otherwise, if all insults continue, I don't see this community lasting long.
: Thank you for creating this survey, I'm looking forward to the election coming soon so we'll hopefully get bac to a constructive, open-minded and nice community together.

And that's what I wish for all of us. :)

Hello!
I have been unavailable for a very long time due to some personal reasons. However, today I opened this program and I saw that Pajper mentioned this topic to me. It's going to be a good evening - I thought. And so it was.
First, so as not to rely on other people's ideas, I filled in the poll, ignoring the results. Then I read each user's thoughts. Then I went through the posts we see here.
To be honest, I don't even know what it's all about. Half the thread has been deleted, so anyone who hasn't seen any of the posts that no longer exist can't even judge whether Pajper was justified in deleting them. I don't know what you posted about or what you posted in fact, even the topic is not clear.
I will repeat most of you, but that is not allowed on any forum. There is no such community (except the Polish forum, I guess) where it is tolerated and even enforced. This is nonsense. It does not exist in a community that proclaims freedom of speech, with the slogan #StandWithUkraine; that expects users to post only content that the developer himself agrees with. In the days of Stalin and Lenin, or even Hitler and Mussolini, this was called personality cult. No, basically you don't have to stand up and applaud the current Elten management. But they do expect you to write according to rules that Pajper likes, despite the extremely trivial and vague rules currently available in this community.
Well said. In the Polish community it has been forced. Here is the key to everything. Future plans don't include integrating Polish rules into the English community; because we don't need them. I will never support an administrator who imposes his own views on all users.
Pajper. You are a programmer, a software developer. You must know very well that none of the programming communities work like that. Before anyone asks how I know: I'm involved in a couple of open source projects as a translator to get as many applications as possible in my native language. No one in the world has ever deleted anything from Github forums regarding these projects or IT translator forums. Because it is not ethical, it is simply not allowed.
What's next? Are votes and opinions you don't like going to be deleted too? Will disliked users be banned just because why not? What can we expect?
At this stage, I don't think the Elten English community has any future. Unless a decent administrator cleans it all up and writes a whole new set of rules. But with this childish, egotistical behaviour, no one will get anywhere.
If anyone remembers, Railwayguy stepped down for a similar reason, as he deleted a thread one by one without asking us. What will be the next step? Can the administrator delete anything at will without anyone needing to know? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I, for example, only saw Pajper post once and write that he had deleted some posts. However, the conversation looks like there are missing details from several posts.
If that gets deleted too, well, go for it. I have tried to write as respectfully as possible, but I understand and know that in many cases I have failed because I am angry. Mainly because I don't see the same Pajper now as I did when I first met him, almost six years ago.

So, here are some snippets. If in your opinion it is a respectful and constructive discussion, then I see no chance for this community as it would be removed from almost any forum I know as offtopic, personal attacks, private discussions, insults and spam.



| karmien | And now, welcome to, youtube 2016! Todays lesson, when you don't want to respond to a point just bring the point to a personal level, claim that it is pointles either way, or try to turn it into a wack attack against who makes the point. Boom, people will like you. Thanks for listening.
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| Sir-Charlie | Also going to point out despite the fact that my actions that you so detest are so well-documented I'm still the frontrunner in this poll, though narrowly. I was honestly surprised that Pajper included myself as an option but there ya go.
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| Saeed | Ah, yes. You can always count on Simter to devolve any thread that he graces with his presence into stupidity.

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| karmien | And again going personal. I could make another joke how this is 2016 internet shit which i thought we where done with but i won't since you don't learn it either ways. A note though, if charlie gets admin we will probably have people like gcw and meadbag flooding arround here, both bnned from agnet for good reasons. |
| Sir-Charlie | Wow. I had no idea we were taking a page out of US politics in the English community. I mean, you can feel free to talk yourself in a hole. I don't see any intension to engage with you anymore cuz it's clear you're trying to play politics and devolve to a kind of toxicness and vitrial nature that we don't need, nor do I want to clutter the thread anymore. |
| karmien | And once again ignoring my point. You are literarely describing your self more then i could describe my self with that post.
-- (Sir-Charlie):
Wow. I had no idea we were taking a page out of US politics in the English community. I mean, you can feel free to talk yourself in a hole. I don't see any intension to engage with you anymore cuz it's clear you're trying to play politics and devolve to a kind of toxicness and vitrial nature that we don't need, nor do I want to clutter the thread anymore.

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| Saeed | Oo, pitiful attempts to fearmonger and spread completely unfounded conspiracy theories. Also can you at least take a 5 minute break from creating alts to evade your numerous AudioGames.net bans and locate a decently-accessible spelling and grammar checker?



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| karmien | My last agnet alt is over 3 years ago, but ok, bringing old stuff back, if you need to. I am not sure if you are person i think you are, but if you are, nice to see you didn't grow up either.



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| Saeed | Dude, don't waste so much energy trying to bullshit me. You'll get fatigued.
P.S.: Any sane person will take 1 look at your forum posts, blog, and how you conduct yourself and immediately recognize that you are far from fit to administer a paper bag, much less an online platform with real users.




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| marchoffmann | Legit everyone from Sketchbook your world pops in right now. Why is that. It feels kinda dumm having so many sbyw people here at once, probably because some sort of influence?
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| rudolf | also yeah agree marc, a lot of sbyw people here ngl.

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| TheGalacticEmpire | Your point is irelevant. Putting aside the fact that you yourself play SBYW, SBYW players were here since the beginning of this thread. And regardless, your choice of words make it seem like you disapprove of an entire community's participation in Elten. This is a program open to all, not just a few that share your sentiments |
| Jonathan | lol, what has the one to do with the other?

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Nice that you only show of posts of the first portion you deleted and not the second one. The first one is, granted, arguable, but the second one was not, and that you only show the first one since it better fids your narrative shows the direction this is going more then any word. And even in this posts you showed the only thing i would really claim as insulting was(maybe)my remark about gcw and meadbag and saaeds ramblings. The post about youtube was sarcastic, obwiously, and not mend to start a discussion about youtube. With charlies first post i see nothing wrong at all, the post about US politics is unneccessary but not particularely offensive. The posts about SBYW kind of fid into the same category.
-- (pajper):
So, here are some snippets. If in your opinion it is a respectful and constructive discussion, then I see no chance for this community as it would be removed from almost any forum I know as offtopic, personal attacks, private discussions, insults and spam.



| karmien | And now, welcome to, youtube 2016! Todays lesson, when you don't want to respond to a point just bring the point to a personal level, claim that it is pointles either way, or try to turn it into a wack attack against who makes the point. Boom, people will like you. Thanks for listening.
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| Sir-Charlie | Also going to point out despite the fact that my actions that you so detest are so well-documented I'm still the frontrunner in this poll, though narrowly. I was honestly surprised that Pajper included myself as an option but there ya go.
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| Saeed | Ah, yes. You can always count on Simter to devolve any thread that he graces with his presence into stupidity.

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| karmien | And again going personal. I could make another joke how this is 2016 internet shit which i thought we where done with but i won't since you don't learn it either ways. A note though, if charlie gets admin we will probably have people like gcw and meadbag flooding arround here, both bnned from agnet for good reasons. |
| Sir-Charlie | Wow. I had no idea we were taking a page out of US politics in the English community. I mean, you can feel free to talk yourself in a hole. I don't see any intension to engage with you anymore cuz it's clear you're trying to play politics and devolve to a kind of toxicness and vitrial nature that we don't need, nor do I want to clutter the thread anymore. |
| karmien | And once again ignoring my point. You are literarely describing your self more then i could describe my self with that post.
-- (Sir-Charlie):
Wow. I had no idea we were taking a page out of US politics in the English community. I mean, you can feel free to talk yourself in a hole. I don't see any intension to engage with you anymore cuz it's clear you're trying to play politics and devolve to a kind of toxicness and vitrial nature that we don't need, nor do I want to clutter the thread anymore.

--

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| Saeed | Oo, pitiful attempts to fearmonger and spread completely unfounded conspiracy theories. Also can you at least take a 5 minute break from creating alts to evade your numerous AudioGames.net bans and locate a decently-accessible spelling and grammar checker?



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| karmien | My last agnet alt is over 3 years ago, but ok, bringing old stuff back, if you need to. I am not sure if you are person i think you are, but if you are, nice to see you didn't grow up either.



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| Saeed | Dude, don't waste so much energy trying to bullshit me. You'll get fatigued.
P.S.: Any sane person will take 1 look at your forum posts, blog, and how you conduct yourself and immediately recognize that you are far from fit to administer a paper bag, much less an online platform with real users.




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| marchoffmann | Legit everyone from Sketchbook your world pops in right now. Why is that. It feels kinda dumm having so many sbyw people here at once, probably because some sort of influence?
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| rudolf | also yeah agree marc, a lot of sbyw people here ngl.

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| TheGalacticEmpire | Your point is irelevant. Putting aside the fact that you yourself play SBYW, SBYW players were here since the beginning of this thread. And regardless, your choice of words make it seem like you disapprove of an entire community's participation in Elten. This is a program open to all, not just a few that share your sentiments |
| Jonathan | lol, what has the one to do with the other?

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So here you are.

I will add that another major drama was the deletion of the previous discussion, which was also discussed in an aggressive tone. If the entries refer to each other, you have to remove the entire branch, otherwise you get gibberish.
Do you disagree with this rule? There you go, different communities have their own standards and that's normal.
I mainly know places where this is the case and this is the policy I applied in this thread.

It's also funny to refer to totalitarian systems, because I deleted entries with absolutely all perspectives.

| CritterPup | Okay. I can see trying to have a perfectly logical and calm conversation with you is futile. I shall step away now and let others give their words.
Edit because I was fixing a spelling error, but I'd like to add this: If I'm not to take your words 100% serious, you're not to take mine either. I was speaking in an exaggerated tone. I would think this is evident in my word choice and delivery. However, you chose to come in and prove a point I made in my voting submission, which was that people will just start fights any place they can. I end my post here, but I would advise you to practice what you preach.

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| karmien | If you misbehave on other platforms, it still adds to your accountability. so making that point is not invalit. And you may not have seen the last few posts that where deleted, but in these posts charlie tried to talk him self out of points by passing everything of as personal drama. That is not productive discussion.
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| CritterPup | But it is entirely personal drama. Everything you've talked about is perception. Nothing more. As I've pointed out before Charlie is the only one writing calm, non-combative posts in which he tries to make his stance clear in the best way possible. Sometimes, he uses strong language. Sometimes, this is necessary. If it's not personal issues, please, prove me wrong, but I've worked with Charlie in the past and he's a great admin. He thinks with his brain instead of his feelings all the time. He is smart, and knows how to work through a situation, and has a keen attention to detail. Just because he was friends with a person you don't like, or has trolled on occasion, does not disqualify him for the position in my opinion, and the fact those accusations are being leveled are, in my view, people living in glass houses throwing stones.

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| CritterPup | Okay. I can see trying to have a perfectly logical and calm conversation with you is futile. I shall step away now and let others give their words.
Edit because I was fixing a spelling error, but I'd like to add this: If I'm not to take your words 100% serious, you're not to take mine either. I was speaking in an exaggerated tone. I would think this is evident in my word choice and delivery. However, you chose to come in and prove a point I made in my voting submission, which was that people will just start fights any place they can. I end my post here, but I would advise you to practice what you preach.

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| karmien | If you misbehave on other platforms, it still adds to your accountability. so making that point is not invalit. And you may not have seen the last few posts that where deleted, but in these posts charlie tried to talk him self out of points by passing everything of as personal drama. That is not productive discussion.



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| CritterPup | But it is entirely personal drama. Everything you've talked about is perception. Nothing more. As I've pointed out before Charlie is the only one writing calm, non-combative posts in which he tries to make his stance clear in the best way possible. Sometimes, he uses strong language. Sometimes, this is necessary. If it's not personal issues, please, prove me wrong, but I've worked with Charlie in the past and he's a great admin. He thinks with his brain instead of his feelings all the time. He is smart, and knows how to work through a situation, and has a keen attention to detail. Just because he was friends with a person you don't like, or has trolled on occasion, does not disqualify him for the position in my opinion, and the fact those accusations are being leveled are, in my view, people living in glass houses throwing stones.

What's wrong about these posts? We didn't agree but 99,9percent on both sides was completely respectful and normal talking.

I'm sorry but seeing these posts, yeah, Karmien behaves like a child. That's a fact. However, I don't think these posts should be deleted, as we see patterns of these guys in a more clear way. You know, we just understand better who to choose.

The study results so far contradict this.
If you think it's bad, and most people do, then the way to fix it is certainly not to ignore the problems. In the poll itself, there are requests to delete insulting posts and even threads, and these are popular requests.
Where to draw the line is a broad topic and worth discussing, but the fact is that such removal is expected. And so far it has only resulted in mud being thrown at me.

BTW. I got many reports about posts in this thread suggested to be removed. I didn't do it because I can imagine the next drama. But there are users that also think that behaviours here are not proper.
The only thing it means is that many users have many perspectives.
And you are trying hard to push one, the most yours.
It's sad because I'm not pushing my point anywhere, I'm just arguing. Numerous times I informed that I'm going to find you a new administrator ASAP.

There is a 404 post long thread full of racist, homphobic toxic dribble. When people say delete insulting and offensive posts, they mean stuff like that. Not people having aslightly charged discussion. Arctic Moon is right. The posts were discussing an item on the poll, specifically my candaditure. You included it as an item on the poll, therefore from my point of view people are entitled to discuss it. As I said in my other deleted message which I'll post after, I can understand the rationale for doing so, however never there is a time and place for everything. People should be free to discuss openly about issues on the poll without sensorship.
Look around, man. It's clearly not a popular move. Nobody is in favour of this course of action you chose. Marc, Jonathan, myself, Karmien and even Arctic Moon who are usually on the exact polar opposite of issues are resolute in our condemnation. What's even worse is you went as far as to delete the second batch of messages that were criticising you for it. I understand you're trying to help, but I think it would be helpful and productive to all involved if we collectively acknowledge that the deletions did more harm than good and made forming any kind of conclusion both about the poll and future administration difficult if not impossible. I'd also like to point out, as Simter said you didn't post a truly representative sample, as you didn't post the second batch of messages that were written by myself or The Galactic Empire which were in no way offensive. I also understand Marc, Jonathan and Critterpup had another discussion about my candidacy which were not shown.
P.S. I'm going to post my message now. Tell me how that's offensive, insulting, attacking, off topic, whatever.

If I squint and wear enlarging glasses, I can kinda see the justification behind nuking the posts but I strongly disagree with doing so. The posts might be "bad" or "toxic" but everyone should be able to see what happened especially since some of the posts you deleted were relating to a question posed on the poll. Major thumbs down.
Jai Don
21.01.2024 17:30
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