@40 what's wrong with his signature?

No difference in how the forum operates? Maybe because it's been a space of a few days and we're writing up a set of rules, because even the splitting the forums up a bit is creating unnecessary drama, which then is blamed on the mods, who are being attacked from every angle with nothing but sarcasm, insults and taking our words out of context. Wonder what you would do in such a situation.
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I've done everything I can do to help. I've voted in the elections (Three times now I think it is?) and still there's practically no difference in how the English forum operates. I did not run for the administrator position because I supported one of the candidates fully.

Sorry I did get you confused. I saw an old topic you made in the admin room and forgot that you were a total failure and didn't get re-elected.

-- (ArcticMoon):
There was a lot of time to apply to help. You haven't applied. I guess you are already too late with your complains. We are sorry for the inconnvenience.
On the other hand, I am not an administrator, but people have a habit on here to comfuse ranks.

-- (MatthewSmithYT):
I like how you completely misunderstood the meaning of my signature, further proving my point that you're not ready to be an administrator here. Each time you write you embarrass yourself more, so go ahead. :)

-- (ArcticMoon):
I'd re-read your signature before writing such posts. :)

-- (MatthewSmithYT):
You'd think a prerequisite for being the mod of the English community would be the ability to... You know, speak English properly. Apparently not.

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Trust me, it's not the mods slowing down the process of this community moving forward and getting organised, just see the majority of posts in this particular thread for proof. The line is very clear.

Ok, here's what I would do, since none of you can seem to figure this administration thing out.

1. Pick my other admins wisely, allowing the community to weigh in and setting up a temporary group until I can get some feedback.
2. New rules, very simple. Don't spam, no clones, don't clutter the rooms, English only, and lastly, don't be a piece of shit. Establish those first then decide the others shortly after, assuming that you started from zero, which you did not... Unless you decided to scrap the old rules without telling us, which you may have, considering your staff team's utter lack of transparency.
3. I'd do a deep dive for spam and make sure there was none left.

On the other hand, I would not act condescending towards people who are asking questions and bringing forth new ideas. Community input and transparency are two of the most important parts of administrating and managing a forum.


-- (djsenter):
No difference in how the forum operates? Maybe because it's been a space of a few days and we're writing up a set of rules, because even the splitting the forums up a bit is creating unnecessary drama, which then is blamed on the mods, who are being attacked from every angle with nothing but sarcasm, insults and taking our words out of context. Wonder what you would do in such a situation.
-- (MatthewSmithYT):
I've done everything I can do to help. I've voted in the elections (Three times now I think it is?) and still there's practically no difference in how the English forum operates. I did not run for the administrator position because I supported one of the candidates fully.

Sorry I did get you confused. I saw an old topic you made in the admin room and forgot that you were a total failure and didn't get re-elected.

-- (ArcticMoon):
There was a lot of time to apply to help. You haven't applied. I guess you are already too late with your complains. We are sorry for the inconnvenience.
On the other hand, I am not an administrator, but people have a habit on here to comfuse ranks.

-- (MatthewSmithYT):
I like how you completely misunderstood the meaning of my signature, further proving my point that you're not ready to be an administrator here. Each time you write you embarrass yourself more, so go ahead. :)

-- (ArcticMoon):
I'd re-read your signature before writing such posts. :)

-- (MatthewSmithYT):
You'd think a prerequisite for being the mod of the English community would be the ability to... You know, speak English properly. Apparently not.

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@62, I think you're being just a bit intellectually dishonest here. The first 7 or so posts were very much constructive and peaceful. The thread didn't devolve until Post 10 came in and basically told the Germans to stop talking and develop their own community, which is ironic considering all but 1 of you staff are English. Even that's contestable as you're from Poland originally. To be clear, I happen to think that nationality shouldn't impact such things, if you're able to communicate then that shouldn't matter however I only saw it fit to bring up that point since your fellow staff member felt it good and proper to do so.
You've been talking an aweful lot about us shouting and screaming about what we don't like, however I know that at least me personally, have been asking pertinent and constructive questions and i haven't gotten an answer yet.
And what do you mean by taking your words out of context? Do you mean post 29? If so again, you're being intellectually dishonest. The quotes are here for all to see and read. All you've done in here instead of answer the original point is say that we're being unreasonable and if we don't like your administration style we should leave. Oh, and I saw post 19 before you editted it BTW. Posts like that is exactly the problem. I'm seeing a clear refusal to accept any kind of accountability but instead a willingness to gaslight and deflect.
Real shame honestly. I didn't want to say anything because I initially had my hopes up. But this thread is a clear example that if the administration is to continue like this then the English forum will only hasten it's decline.
I'm bowing out of this thread unless I'm either directly addressed or I see something particularly noteable that should be commented on.

I understand and can't blame you. After everything that went wrong under your leadership previously, if I were in your position, I wouldn't have had the heart to apply again either. Because why apply for an election when you know you'll just be appointed to a staff position when your guy wins?
This really was the perfect outcome for you, because not only did you get to avoid the hassle of going through another re-election effort which you would undoubtedly lose, but you also got the ability to keep pushing this "I didn't want the position" nonsense. If you didn't want to administrate or moderate the community, why did you accept the position when Daszekmdn messaged you privately and asked you if you would take it? It wasn't something that you had to do, was it? A leader wouldn't force someone into a position, would they?

-- (ArcticMoon):
Let me correct you. I didn't get reelected because I didn't even apply. It was up on Daszekmdn to choose his teammates. He wrote me in private, asking if I'd like to join, since he thinks it would be the most effective to work with Djsenter and me. At first I wasn't even sure what to answer, but in the end decided to help out.
I don't want to be an administrator, I have no time to deal with such a toxic community. As a moderator, my job is not only to give out warnings or bans, but to make suggestions, advise things to other members of the team, and so on.
On a sidenote: we have already created our own space to communicate, thus there shouldn't be any misunderstandings between the members of the team. Before doing serious things, we always consult with each other.



-- (MatthewSmithYT):
I've done everything I can do to help. I've voted in the elections (Three times now I think it is?) and still there's practically no difference in how the English forum operates. I did not run for the administrator position because I supported one of the candidates fully.

Sorry I did get you confused. I saw an old topic you made in the admin room and forgot that you were a total failure and didn't get re-elected.

-- (ArcticMoon):
There was a lot of time to apply to help. You haven't applied. I guess you are already too late with your complains. We are sorry for the inconnvenience.
On the other hand, I am not an administrator, but people have a habit on here to comfuse ranks.

-- (MatthewSmithYT):
I like how you completely misunderstood the meaning of my signature, further proving my point that you're not ready to be an administrator here. Each time you write you embarrass yourself more, so go ahead. :)

-- (ArcticMoon):
I'd re-read your signature before writing such posts. :)

-- (MatthewSmithYT):
You'd think a prerequisite for being the mod of the English community would be the ability to... You know, speak English properly. Apparently not.

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I'm not being dishonest at all, I edited my earlier post since first of all, I didn't want to be misunderstood, which I have been in the end anyway, secondly I made a couple typos needed to be fixed.
Just to be clear, I said what I said, since when you don't like a certain community, let's say a discord server, you leave it and the same situation applies here. If you're telling me you didn't understand that and didn't take it out of context, then you are being intellectually dishonest Charlie.
It was never a practise on Elten that the members decide who the mods are as far as I'm aware, remember how many people voted and no one else seems to have a issue with what we're trying to achieve here. Taking that into consideration, I would really think whether we're being incompetent or condescending, or whether you are being attention seeking, power hungry individuals who simply undermine every decision we make and by doing this, take away from the time we could spend on improving this community and it's forums.
As to your bold questions Mathiu, I would only like to say that you could've messaged Dash and let him know that you wish to be a mod, if that's what you wanted to do. You don't need to now inquire why someone has decided to volunteer their time and sanity to help out, because trust me, no one's getting paid for this.
Lastly, I've been living in the UK for over 11 years, so there's no reason why I shouldn't be a mod, especially that looking at the spelling and tons of other errors made by many members in this community, I dare say my English exceeds a fair number of users here and I'm saying that as an user, not a mod necessarily. Why shouldn't I help out then? Yes, you hate comparisons, but on the Polish community we also have a mod from another country, all that matters here is how competent and efficient a user is, not where they're from. Marhoffman was being racist and writing in German, plus attempting Polish for clearly disrespectful reasons, so I can't help but find you reasoning ridiculous, Charlie. Thank you,

I wouldn't have lost it, trust me. I just didn't want all the hassle, that's all. I know it's hardto believe when you are power hungry, but in my case having power or even getting it at the slightest was unwanted. Daszekmdn didn't force me in this position. I support his ideas, and the way he imagines further development, so I said yes. Nothing to read between the lines here.


-- (MatthewSmithYT):
I understand and can't blame you. After everything that went wrong under your leadership previously, if I were in your position, I wouldn't have had the heart to apply again either. Because why apply for an election when you know you'll just be appointed to a staff position when your guy wins?
This really was the perfect outcome for you, because not only did you get to avoid the hassle of going through another re-election effort which you would undoubtedly lose, but you also got the ability to keep pushing this "I didn't want the position" nonsense. If you didn't want to administrate or moderate the community, why did you accept the position when Daszekmdn messaged you privately and asked you if you would take it? It wasn't something that you had to do, was it? A leader wouldn't force someone into a position, would they?

-- (ArcticMoon):
Let me correct you. I didn't get reelected because I didn't even apply. It was up on Daszekmdn to choose his teammates. He wrote me in private, asking if I'd like to join, since he thinks it would be the most effective to work with Djsenter and me. At first I wasn't even sure what to answer, but in the end decided to help out.
I don't want to be an administrator, I have no time to deal with such a toxic community. As a moderator, my job is not only to give out warnings or bans, but to make suggestions, advise things to other members of the team, and so on.
On a sidenote: we have already created our own space to communicate, thus there shouldn't be any misunderstandings between the members of the team. Before doing serious things, we always consult with each other.



-- (MatthewSmithYT):
I've done everything I can do to help. I've voted in the elections (Three times now I think it is?) and still there's practically no difference in how the English forum operates. I did not run for the administrator position because I supported one of the candidates fully.

Sorry I did get you confused. I saw an old topic you made in the admin room and forgot that you were a total failure and didn't get re-elected.

-- (ArcticMoon):
There was a lot of time to apply to help. You haven't applied. I guess you are already too late with your complains. We are sorry for the inconnvenience.
On the other hand, I am not an administrator, but people have a habit on here to comfuse ranks.

-- (MatthewSmithYT):
I like how you completely misunderstood the meaning of my signature, further proving my point that you're not ready to be an administrator here. Each time you write you embarrass yourself more, so go ahead. :)

-- (ArcticMoon):
I'd re-read your signature before writing such posts. :)

-- (MatthewSmithYT):
You'd think a prerequisite for being the mod of the English community would be the ability to... You know, speak English properly. Apparently not.

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First of all, sorry for my absence in this discussion.
So here's the explanation.
The Computers and technology forum contained around 500 threads. Searching in mess like this is hard.
You can see it by reading a topics names. They are often written with a lot of misspells and also some threads are repeated.
I created new forum, to make it easier to access specific topics that people may be interested in.
Following this line of reasoning, maybe merging Computers and technology with Games forum will be also good for you? Why not remove all forums and make one big without any rules and topics separation?
I am not copying anything from the Polish community. There, the structure of the forums looks completely different. Feel free to check how it look. Polish community is really large, so you have another groups for Computers, Phones, Electronic etc.
I have an individual idea based on my years of experience moderating various forums here and if you have any suggestions feel free to post it, but don't do it aggressively. We know what we doing and think that some of you will appreciate the dividing the forums to more categories with in some time.

Sure, forum name has been changed to mobile devices :).
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Same for this 1 topic about tablets, etc. Then at least call it phones and tablets.

@60 about the threads about Cidia etc. Remember, that we working on the new structure and noone is a god who know every app and every thing so we can make mistakes. There's over 400 topics on Computers and technology, so we need some time to do it. Remember also that we all have private lives. If you found badly placed thread, just use report option and we will look in :)

-- (MatthewSmithYT):
assuming that you started from zero, which you did not... Unless you decided to scrap the old rules without telling us, which you may have, considering your staff team's utter lack of transparency.
I didn't scrap abandon the old rules, because these didn't officialy exists.
The official rules should be in the group menu under Rules. The aforementioned tab is empty, which is why I am starting from scratch.
3. I'd do a deep dive for spam and make sure there was none left.
We will do it but firstly we need a rules which will to determine what's spam. We working on it.
On the other hand, I would not act condescending towards people who are asking questions and bringing forth new ideas. Community input and transparency are two of the most important parts of administrating and managing a forum.
I completely agree. Transparency is the main thing. As i said we will inform about any changes

About rules. We have already created a draft which is being discussed by the team. Keep an eye on the community, so you aren't going to miss it even at the first moments.

@69-72, thank you. I really appreciate that. So far you're the only one of the staff who actually answered the concerns raised instead of angrily flailing their arms in the air to make themselves feel better about themselves. Keep it up.
@67, I'm glad you see things my way! But I'm not sure why you're rehashing my position when you should really be telling that to your colleague. I suggest you to reread post 10 and then go reread the opening paragraph of post 65.

Thank you for laying out your positions clearly. I appreciate that you took the time to do that. Please keep your staff in check, though. The constant need to grab for power is really unattractive.

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assuming that you started from zero, which you did not... Unless you decided to scrap the old rules without telling us, which you may have, considering your staff team's utter lack of transparency.
I didn't scrap abandon the old rules, because these didn't officialy exists.
The official rules should be in the group menu under Rules. The aforementioned tab is empty, which is why I am starting from scratch.
3. I'd do a deep dive for spam and make sure there was none left.
We will do it but firstly we need a rules which will to determine what's spam. We working on it.
On the other hand, I would not act condescending towards people who are asking questions and bringing forth new ideas. Community input and transparency are two of the most important parts of administrating and managing a forum.
I completely agree. Transparency is the main thing. As i said we will inform about any changes

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In my opinion posts 8 and 9 weren't constructive at all, so I have to disagree here. Anyway I'm glad that we came to some kind of an understanding and have a new, more clear forum title as well. Hopefully the communication between us will be more successful from now on, let's remember that we all want to make this community a better place, so let's work towards it.

@75
I brought this to the attention of the team.

Should also say that some archived topics are still pinned down there which is, weird.

what has that to do with this topic?

Well what does who is a good admin and not have to do here could I also ask? I don't feel like creating another thread just for that 1 post and all sorts of people have used this for any concerns so heh.