now imagine if we were talking about black people. i can go onto a post and say, oh yeah. fuck them! black lives don't matter. i would've been banned. but sirmax has not been for saying he hates the lgbtq community.
-- (GamerKid):
yeah that was wayayayayayayyayayayayayayay to far.

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Well, the problem is confirmed again. I will not be a judge in the English group, but here again we are guessing.
What we need is a set of rules about what opinions we express in the forum and what we don't.

yes!

-- (pajper):
Well, the problem is confirmed again. I will not be a judge in the English group, but here again we are guessing.
What we need is a set of rules about what opinions we express in the forum and what we don't.

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Okay, sorry for derailing the topic, maybe i have too much negative experience about this lgbtq thing.
I am sorry again but it was an act of emotions, not mind maybe.
If needed, delete my messages to clear the topic, it would be okay.

Hopefully Pajper sees it as well and decides, since it's a very sensitive topic, indeed. As much as I also have my beliefs, and I think all of us do, it doesn't need to be expressed at first in a topic which is absolutely unrelated, and secondly in a manner of speech which isn't accepted at all.

See? This is what we need, apolagies when something is done that shouldn't have been done and if it is to keep going on, then warnings. most of this is not on purpose(cyrmax):
Okay, sorry for derailing the topic, maybe i have too much negative experience about this lgbtq thing.
I am sorry again but it was an act of emotions, not mind maybe.
If needed, delete my messages to clear the topic, it would be okay.

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Cyrmax, as a developer yourself, you know the most that what is once on the internet, stays there forever. If you'd have said these sentences and not wrote them, you wouldn't be able to delete it from people's minds.
The edit happened because I'm a little bit sleepy and my grammar of english is getting to be worse and worse, so I corrected some of my mistakes.

Back to the topic. I don't want to dictate the rules to you, but I'll tell you what I would do were I to decide on the shape of this group.
First of all, I would unify the Elten Development and Elten Community groups, it just creates chaos. I would change the whole structure of the forums, because even I don't quite understand the current one.
I would create clear regulations, information about what a warning is, how long it is valid, what a ban is for, etc.
I would make a public index of all warnings and bans with explanations.

Things like that, would lead to a much better expearience for everyone.
-- (pajper):
Back to the topic. I don't want to dictate the rules to you, but I'll tell you what I would do were I to decide on the shape of this group.
First of all, I would unify the Elten Development and Elten Community groups, it just creates chaos. I would change the whole structure of the forums, because even I don't quite understand the current one.
I would create clear regulations, information about what a warning is, how long it is valid, what a ban is for, etc.
I would make a public index of all warnings and bans with explanations.

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Absolutely agreed. Sadly we can't do it as two people, but if we had some other volunteers, this could be easily done.

-- (pajper):
Back to the topic. I don't want to dictate the rules to you, but I'll tell you what I would do were I to decide on the shape of this group.
First of all, I would unify the Elten Development and Elten Community groups, it just creates chaos. I would change the whole structure of the forums, because even I don't quite understand the current one.
I would create clear regulations, information about what a warning is, how long it is valid, what a ban is for, etc.
I would make a public index of all warnings and bans with explanations.

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I'm not sure how such a recruiting session would be here though. Because basically all the participants of the community would want power so they'd apply. On the other hand, Cyrmax usually don't behaves that way, as I, myself also didn't really understand what was that post good for. He has a past of administrating and moderating big projects, and I can confidently say he did his job very well back then. Although knowing his timetable, I don't know if he'd ever want to do voluntary jobs once again.

@ArcticMoon
I already apologized for my words and agreed that i derailed the topic; and stopped that.
But okay, if the topic continues, I will explain:
I do not know the situation in other countries, but i live in russia where lgbt motion is not welcomed.
I personaly had nothing against them, but when i was 13 or 14 years old i met lots of people in the russian internet who started those dirty conversations about that to be gay is not so bad, so i should try, we should meet in person and he will explain me everything.
It is disgusting to remember even, and not because it is lgbt, but because it was with me when i was 13 years old.
They told me lots of dirty things, tried to write to me from second and third accounts when i blocked the first one, sent me dirty photos which i didn't see, thanks that im blind, but my friends told me about their content.
So now yes, i have something like trauma about lgbt community and this is my opinion.
So i said, if they do not try to communicate with me about sex or other intim i talk with them and do not care if they are lgbt. but when they try to offer me something like that dirty shit, my trauma activates and yes, then i hate.
Sorry again.
I have told everything i wanted to tell.
Now i will not answer more about this offtopic and unpleasant for all of you thing. ban me if it is needed to support the order.

So let's wait. We have already written over 90 posts in a very short time.
Let's give people who are not online a chance to speak out. Then we'll think about it.

@ArcticMoon
About administration and moderation, thank you about those words about big projects.
But even if we forget my behaviour, i would not apply for moderation here.
Firstly, yes, my timetable will not allow that.
Second, remember the situation why i decided to stop administrating one of projects.
I do not want any more of those things. So no, i would not apply for a moderator job.

Hey, here are some thoughts. We should be careful who we pick as moderators. The person or persons should be calm in dramatic situations, and be able to defuse those situations before it gets out of control. And I agree with those that said the more the better. More addmins can be useful.
Those that feel they can't do the job anymore, should be able to step down, for whatever reason, and hand over the reigns, to those that get chosen in the end.

That's all what I can think to say at this moment.

P.s, Sorry for your loss arcticmoon, Wishing you the best.

I understand and totally get you, Kirill. If someone, then I know most of your personal fears and traumas. What I said was only the fact that it wasn't necessary to bring it up here, as almost noone has been paying attention when someone wrote about the LGBT community. I know it's some kind of a trigger for you and I firmly believe it wouldn't be fair to give you anything because of a trigger you can't do anything against, just as another of our user GeorgeWu can't do anything against his autism. Until you don't hurt anyone and explain what's happening, there shouldn't be any problems.

Yes, I totally get you. Although it would have been a pleasure to work with you as you are effective and can communicate better than anyone I've seen before, I absolutely get why you wouldn't take such risks. If you remember, I've told you many times that I also tried to resign a few times, but the last time the elten community had some problems again and my morals didn't allow me to resign without a word.

-- (cyrmax):
@ArcticMoon
About administration and moderation, thank you about those words about big projects.
But even if we forget my behaviour, i would not apply for moderation here.
Firstly, yes, my timetable will not allow that.
Second, remember the situation why i decided to stop administrating one of projects.
I do not want any more of those things. So no, i would not apply for a moderator job.


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I agree with post 88. We need a proper codified set of guidelines, rules, punishments etc. We also need a proper channel for disputing punishments and properly expressing any concerns with the administration. A larger staff is definitely needed but not for some of the reasons expressed in the thread. A larger staff team is important because it's important to get differing opinions and perspectives when administering punishments. I'm apart of a staff team now myself and I'm grateful for getting the inputs of my fellow staff members. Larger teams also helps with accountability. I think right now that's surely lacking as seen by my and MMarc's questions still not being answered. But I look forward to seeing this group return to a state of normalcy. I think the first step though is to start by removing a few individuals. I won't name names but I think we all know who I'm talking about.

well charlie, we do have that. but it's not being used. (Sir-Charlie):
I agree with post 88. We need a proper codified set of guidelines, rules, punishments etc. We also need a proper channel for disputing punishments and properly expressing any concerns with the administration. A larger staff is definitely needed but not for some of the reasons expressed in the thread. A larger staff team is important because it's important to get differing opinions and perspectives when administering punishments. I'm apart of a staff team now myself and I'm grateful for getting the inputs of my fellow staff members. Larger teams also helps with accountability. I think right now that's surely lacking as seen by my and MMarc's questions still not being answered. But I look forward to seeing this group return to a state of normalcy. I think the first step though is to start by removing a few individuals. I won't name names but I think we all know who I'm talking about.

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Hi, I'm sorry for your experience cyrmax. But lets not confuse consenting adults with nonconsensual things.

Sorry, felt the need to mention this.