Hmmmmm yep, I bet he will delete those ones.
I understand that those posts are completely off topic and i would agree if someone gives me an official caution or a warning. But deleting posts...
It sucks.

-- (Jonathan):
didn't knew their where paid. Its a shame.
But well, I bet these posts are also going to bee deleted since this is against pajpers logic, feelings, program, what ever.

-- (ArcticMoon):
Sound themes are also free now, thanks to some creators who got angry with Pajper monetizing their work. And they were right.

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That would be a real shame. I didn't save any of these messages yet but yeah it's a risky area.

-- (Jonathan):
didn't knew their where paid. Its a shame.
But well, I bet these posts are also going to bee deleted since this is against pajpers logic, feelings, program, what ever.

-- (ArcticMoon):
Sound themes are also free now, thanks to some creators who got angry with Pajper monetizing their work. And they were right.

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Sometimes very difficult at first look idea appears to be just a propper using of a few libraries.
And sometimes something very easy in words appears to be a challenging task for several months.
And of course huge projects are not to be written in a week. But such a minor change is not a task for next major version i guess.

-- (ArcticMoon):
I'm sorry but while I see those guys like you, who get an idea from someone or think about it yourself, and at the end of the day the project is almost done, I don't think a few lines of code takes more than a day to write.


-- (cyrmax):
Oh and btw it is possible to make a checkbox to show or hide premium features.
For exploration they are good to be shown but for everyday usage they add more clutter to the interface.
But sorry but such a checkbox is more than a few lines of code and so more than a day for developers to spend.
So we probably will never see such a feature.
Of course if someone in polish community would request this then maaaybe.


-- (ArcticMoon):
You are a programmer, thus maybe you could answer me the following question. Is it really that impossible to hide non-functional checkboxes for those who didn't pay for such functions? Or is it also an experiment, like the more an user sees a non-functional feature, the more they want to buy and try?


-- (cyrmax):
Btw about Elten premium features, sorry but I still cannot calm down myself when I see this annoying unusable checkbox "use markdown".
Markdown parser is a python script with something less than 1000 lines of code.
Every forum, every big chat has this feature for free. This feature costs nothing for developers and you have to pay lots to use it.
About voice recognition I completely understand, this requires cpu or gpu power and is not so easy process.
For bigger files and longer voice messages i understand too. This also requires storage which is not free actually.
But markdown, those custom notifications, etc. Why they are payed? Looks like not a donation mechanics but rather kind of commercial stuff where some marketolog just finds another oportunity to take your money away from you for nothing.

More custom blogs is.... i don't know. looks like nothing but okay, it requires more place in database and more cpu and IO to process updates. Okay, I can understand that.
But again, markdown and paid notifications, ability to edit posts, some things with mentions as i remember....

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From who are you waiting the warning?
We have no moderators. We don't even have a main admin. We have only Pajper, and yes he from time to time checks this thread to delete a few stuff and form the image of elten, but we don't have anyone right now.

-- (cyrmax):
Hmmmmm yep, I bet he will delete those ones.
I understand that those posts are completely off topic and i would agree if someone gives me an official caution or a warning. But deleting posts...
It sucks.

-- (Jonathan):
didn't knew their where paid. Its a shame.
But well, I bet these posts are also going to bee deleted since this is against pajpers logic, feelings, program, what ever.

-- (ArcticMoon):
Sound themes are also free now, thanks to some creators who got angry with Pajper monetizing their work. And they were right.

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@121 Well, as I said before, its influencing people to build their opinions. And now the whole thing slowly turns into something bad for pajper. I mean, imagine, in polish community, every day posts are deleted when they are against the opinion or rather, insulting anything or something. lol, just noone ever cared or heard about it, but now this bullshit reaches to us.

On the other hand, elten still does nothing with the normal reply function without a quote. It's like writing a new message. I thought I'd just let you know, give you some ideas for the new main version.

If thinking about this forum as an usual forum, unfortunately the mechanics of forums does not contain any reply features besides from reply with quote.
It works this way on all mainstream forum engines.
But yep, it would be great to see some links to replies to trace back from most recent message to the first in a thread to understand the situation better.

-- (ArcticMoon):
On the other hand, elten still does nothing with the normal reply function without a quote. It's like writing a new message. I thought I'd just let you know, give you some ideas for the new main version.

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I'm late to this, and I haven't much to say, but I'm in agreement with the sentiment of... the guy that started this. Who I shall call max for easiness' sake. I never had faith in Elten to begin with. Honestly I just came here to see what it was all about. And I've found 2 things. Angry children and a dev with a my way or the highway approach. I'm not gonna try to make yall change your minds on what to use, but you know... Discord is right there. It's free. And you cane make forum channels if you want the Elten experience.

The more I read, the more I get the feeling that this is just plain jealousy, funny because there is nothing to it.
Because what do you actually want to achieve?

There are plenty of alternatives to this program and I think we can all agree on that. Elten was created as a successor to Klango, then went a bit its own way. Nowhere have I seen coercion or agitation for it. Those who want to use it, use it, those who don't, don't.

The same goes for premium features. I don't understand your argument about working hours at all, what does that have to do with anything?
The price of a service is determined by the demand for it, not the amount of work. Sometimes a programmer can write code for weeks and give it away for free or for pennies, and sometimes the work of a few hours will be needed enough to be priced many times more expensive.
Well, in the case of Elten we have a different situation, because users who buy premium packages often want to use this to both buy premium features and pay for the maintenance of the project. Are you denying them this right?

Nobody is forced to use the premium features or Elten at all. There are many alternatives from blind forums to large social networks, sites like Reddit, Mastodon, which is popular among blind people, and so on.
I don't tell people what should be good for them. They have a certain proposition and they either use it because of the features, community or sentiment, or they don't.

Jealousy? Lol, probably.

So suggest the purpose of these posts, because I don't see it. It's like signing up for one of the popular audio games and starting arguing on the game's forum or chat that there are alternatives and people shouldn't pay for it.
In my opinion, maybe they shouldn't, I have the right to that opinion, but they have the right to think that it's worth paying, right?

I agree with, Marc and Max here. Both points are valid. I get the whole social connection, and the ease of use interface. I certainly got the whole social connection with klango. Elten was well okay, to begin with. Now I just drop in, to see what's happening.
But who is jealous? No one as far as I can see.

I didn't write that anyone is jealous, just that it looks that way. How else to explain Cyrmax's and ArcticMoon's posts about alternatives and, especially that he could write certain functions in one day?

@133, sounds like your contradicting yourself. you said you didn't right that anyone was jealous, but you said just that in post 29

Lol you sound way to bloody overhyped man. We don't need to be bloody cool to be cool normaly. Apps don't make you be excepted how you are in real life either, my friend.
-- (cyrmax):
Regarding Youtube, you can use sponsor block extension for nearly any browser to skip not only the youtube ads but also the integration ads inside videos. It does the job greadly!
Also you can use ublock origin for any browser to ignore and hide almost every kind of ads on websites too.
To download youtube videos you use either savefrom.net, or its browser extension or yt-dlp program.
As a good player I can recommend you foobar2000 because it is bloody fast and responsive even on playlists with thousants of tracks.
For a video player I cannot choose between vlc and podplayer because every of them has its unique features so i have two for convenience.
For file managing I use total commander which is even more bloody fast then foobar2000.
And yes, you can play music and videos with just one press of a key, either enter to open the file in the mighty foobar2000 which takes just half of a second or even quicker press f3 which stands for viewer and plays immediately. You even can setup automatic playing when you press ctrl+q and every file you focus is played until you press ctrl+q again or focus another file.
Yes, those are different apps and you need to get used to them before you use them so fastly and comfortably. But I am sure that we, blind people, have to, must to, odd to develop our skills and grab more and more and more knowledge about everything to just be able to be as cool and useful as sighted ones.
Yes, Elten was a great place to find someone new and interesting but in terms of self-development and skills Elten leads us to degradation and even more and more separation from sighted people.


-- (marchoffmann):
I guess often it's this long nostalgia, just the way one got to know people, or just how the interface looks, the sounds, etc etc. At least for me. Some random mainstream chat client is of course good in the way that everyone can use it but one like that would never make me have great memmories of it once, they can permenintly update them and make accessibility worse or add things noone cares, and I don't feel like going on a website with adds to browse youtube vids, nor do I feel like pasting an audio 5 times or more behind each other in goldwave to represent a playlist in a decent player, nor is explorer a good and fast file manager since all it does is lagging a lot, I could go on and on here. Of course it'll be easy for people who never got into this program so much. I've been here since 2021 but actively since 2022, and nearly every day. That does something. I'm not sure where I've mensioned this and if this post still exists, but in 2022 this forum was absolutely great. Nice conversations, too in the voice forum, it was easy to get intigrated and open up with even more private/emotional content which would now be impossible in 2024. Look into some older threads like intigration or some might be in others, but then yall will get it. Especially, the feeling lonely topic. A lot of those posts were very interesting to read, many were even helpful, now almost unimaginable too. So I think that, once this comunity would be fixed this could become a place where far more users would feel like enjoying, opening up, and inviting others to so we all can have a great time. If you think this program isn't good and want it to shut down, if you think about this like that for every program blind dudes make we'll soon have nothing. Of course it's a shame that sighted people won't be able to truely access this, it'd feel very interesting for me anyway, but I'm not a fan of discord and all those, especially the mobile app was really cool once, now it's nearly garbage. But I remember how many people got sad about klangos shut down. And then one day we'll have another client trying to concept clone elten. Nah, it's not how this needs to go. Well, that's my opinion at least, in the end what do I have to say.

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And well obviously yes, discussing on what is better or not doesn't belong here imo. If you love discord so much, leave elten and use it. Period.

And for converting youTube videos, use pontes media downloader or the NVDA add-on that was posted here as well in this community I believe.
-- (ArcticMoon):
Instead of youtube with ads, use Brave browser. Instead of explorer, use total commander.
I don't know if you have an iPhone or android but on android the discord app is fine.

-- (marchoffmann):
I guess often it's this long nostalgia, just the way one got to know people, or just how the interface looks, the sounds, etc etc. At least for me. Some random mainstream chat client is of course good in the way that everyone can use it but one like that would never make me have great memmories of it once, they can permenintly update them and make accessibility worse or add things noone cares, and I don't feel like going on a website with adds to browse youtube vids, nor do I feel like pasting an audio 5 times or more behind each other in goldwave to represent a playlist in a decent player, nor is explorer a good and fast file manager since all it does is lagging a lot, I could go on and on here. Of course it'll be easy for people who never got into this program so much. I've been here since 2021 but actively since 2022, and nearly every day. That does something. I'm not sure where I've mensioned this and if this post still exists, but in 2022 this forum was absolutely great. Nice conversations, too in the voice forum, it was easy to get intigrated and open up with even more private/emotional content which would now be impossible in 2024. Look into some older threads like intigration or some might be in others, but then yall will get it. Especially, the feeling lonely topic. A lot of those posts were very interesting to read, many were even helpful, now almost unimaginable too. So I think that, once this comunity would be fixed this could become a place where far more users would feel like enjoying, opening up, and inviting others to so we all can have a great time. If you think this program isn't good and want it to shut down, if you think about this like that for every program blind dudes make we'll soon have nothing. Of course it's a shame that sighted people won't be able to truely access this, it'd feel very interesting for me anyway, but I'm not a fan of discord and all those, especially the mobile app was really cool once, now it's nearly garbage. But I remember how many people got sad about klangos shut down. And then one day we'll have another client trying to concept clone elten. Nah, it's not how this needs to go. Well, that's my opinion at least, in the end what do I have to say.

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Well, I guess I should have read everything before posting. So this is my last post in this thread.

Sorry, but in this case, the dev asked for all these concerns to be raised. With his behaving in this topic he has broken the rest of faith i had in this platform and i think i am not the only one, so it is well founded to discuss alternatives here.
-- (marchoffmann):
And well obviously yes, discussing on what is better or not doesn't belong here imo. If you love discord so much, leave elten and use it. Period.

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Well as I said. Those alternatives are somewhat offtopic and again, use them. If you don't like the dev, good. I disagree with many of his things. But I and some other users here will stick to this platform until idk what, probs what the future holds but again, yall can just use your amazing 10 Apps there for what you want to use them for, and stop going in here like little brats o elten is so shitty, o blindy blindy feew that's not bloody cool everything is better! Everyone has their own setting and I think who needs a discussion for alternative platforms could create an extra thread for this. Sorry if that was harsh but at this point it's just getting stupid.