I have a gitea with about 10 or 15 repositories, teamtalk server, my personal website, gitea action runner which periodicaly runs some build and release jobs, and on the same server RHVoice voices are trained.
And we experience no problems at all.
Pings are always below 50 even from Russia to France, speed is great and cpu usage does not raise more than 50 percent.
So i am sorry to tell that, but optimization optimization and what? yes! optimization again.
If i see that my program works slow and consumes lots of resources i start profiling it and trying to find the bottleneck which causes the problem.

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How many services and users do you have? Because, sorry, but 32 GB RAM and 8 cores is pretty small for any big project.
BTW. 150 eur per month is 1800 eur per year, compared to around 3000 eur per year calculated for Elten.

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Okay, so we have here around 500 Wordpress blogs, up to 20 voice calls with encryption taking place at the same time, even 110-120 users online with real-time notifications, around 10000 private messages sent daily, e-mails support, transcription of forum voice posts and I probably forgot about something.

Oh guys sorry sorry sorry!
I have messed something and wrote down the wrong number.
My server in France costs me about 25 euro per month.
it is around 300 euro per year if my math still works okay.
I have no idea why elten costs around 3000 euro per year. It sounds like you have some kind of quantum computer instead of an usual server.
And as a programer and administrator with large experience you maybe know that growing up the power of one single server is much much less efficient than splitting the work between three or four cheaper ones.

WTF? $25 for that much specs? What provider is that?

But if nothing work why i may waste my time to again and again explain the same?
-- (ArcticMoon):
With a lot of people it doesn't work though. A serious adult is going to ask for arguments and not plain laughter from his opponent in such situations.

Of course, it works the same way in Hungary as well. Our biggest organization MVGYOSZ is also sponsored by the government.
Let me even tell a story.
Last year there was a huge, huge event about collecting money for them. The time was exactly almost a year ago, already near christmas. In TV, on facebook, literaly everywhere on the internet they had various propaganda about why they need money and why you should give them a few dollars at christmas time. Cyrmax, I may send you some articles if you wish, maybe you'd already understand a little. I'm not going to post them publicaly, since they are all in hungarian.
They talked about renovating some buildings, buying new places for training dogs, etc, what you could wish for in an ideal world.
People collected about 100 million forintov, which is 264408,40 euro today.
Since then we heard nothing but complaining. They started to renovate services, rebuild buildings, and they money is still not enough. After a few months of actively telling us that they still don't have enough money, they went in complete silence and after that, we've never heard about where our money went anymore.
On the other side, we have smaller organizations, which stand for themselves, and they are thankfull, they are living happily.


-- (cyrmax):
It is located in France, near Paris.
And btw pajper told that his server is related to some kind of non-commercial foundation for blind people.
As i know almost in every country government in some form sponsors such project.
In Russia our project Tiflo Games received help from VK Cloud Solutions and now has a powerfull server for free.
So should we take money from users for every new game we publish?
Or for to use voice recognition bot in telegram chat?
Or for uploading games to our cloud?
maybe we should but we do not.


-- (daszekmdn):
What's your server's location? Imagine that in any country prices can be different.

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Regarding wordpress, there could be a problem.
I know at least two CMS which operate much much faster than WP.
And btw 500 blogs does not mean that they are all actively used every minute. I am sure that here nobody posts or reads blogs every single minute.
Regarding voice transcription, yes, this can be a hard task. But it could be optimized too.
We all suffer from very slow elten but only premium users see voice transcriptions. So could this task be done on demand? I guess yes.
About voice calls with encryption, i had a case when on my server were installed some kind of open source analog of google meet and we had around 5 or 7 parallel group calls with turn server, audio and video, encryption, board with comments and presentation, user animations, virtual backgrounds, etc etc. CPU usage was less than 25 percent with all other services also enabled and functional.
So again, optimizations and good quality of code.

-- (pajper):
Okay, so we have here around 500 Wordpress blogs, up to 20 voice calls with encryption taking place at the same time, even 110-120 users online with real-time notifications, around 10000 private messages sent daily, e-mails support, transcription of forum voice posts and I probably forgot about something.

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yeah totally agree. that's really less for this resources. my server costs 7.65 euros per month and has windows wich also costs I think over one euro. so my server without anythin costs 6:30 euros or something like that. it has 3 gb RAM and 3 cores plus 250 gb SSD.
-- (Sir-Charlie):
WTF? $25 for that much specs? What provider is that?

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Well and what do you want? Invoices and checks from Cyrmax about how much he pays for his server?
If it was that much, he wouldn't be able to come to Hungary by plane for an entire month at least twice in a year, with one of them spending time in a hotel as well.

I just said what I wanted lol. But I suppose we've truly veered off the beaten path now

I'm not a programmer anyway, but if I'm not mistaken, most of these blogs are text and not audio. Plain text can't be more than a few kbs per text, not more, but someone might correct me.
The problem is rather with audio posts and the way they are encoded. For only voice posts, there should be an encoder which makes the file smaller in size. And something like that exists, I guess if Cyrmax reads my message, he's going to know what I'm talking about because we have tested it in fact yesterday.
What I don't understand as well is why we are able to encode our blog posts in max, or even in a custom way. That's waaaay too much in size and to be honest, it barely changes anything.
These are just empty words of an inexperienced girl who tries and tries to understand the logic of programmers, and maybe I'm mistaken.

You are absolutely right but one mistake exists in your thoughts:
files are just files while they lay on a filesystem and nobody cares about them.
They just take space.
But here is another metrics called cpu usage and ram usage.
And if someone wants to read my posts, server searches for my blog, retrieves relevant information, converts it and sends to the client in the form of html page or some custom format for Elten client.
And the great number of 500 blogs would be a problem if all those blogs were read every day by dozens or hundreds of people or if everybody posted something every 5 minutes.
But tell me please how often you post in your blog?
I do this maybe once per week or even less.
maybe here are some guys who post actively but i guess not every 5 or 10 minutes, telling us about every single moment of their life.
So RAM usage... maybe. But cpu usage is totaly spent for voice recognitions which are available only for donators but all we experience slowdowns while this happens.
And as pajper said publicly in another thread much much earlier, the provadnica foundation also uses this server for their jobs like 3d rendering or etc.
So it looks like we are offered to pay to sponsor provadnica's work which honestly for me did nothing and never will do anything because this is polish local company.


-- (ArcticMoon):
I'm not a programmer anyway, but if I'm not mistaken, most of these blogs are text and not audio. Plain text can't be more than a few kbs per text, not more, but someone might correct me.
The problem is rather with audio posts and the way they are encoded. For only voice posts, there should be an encoder which makes the file smaller in size. And something like that exists, I guess if Cyrmax reads my message, he's going to know what I'm talking about because we have tested it in fact yesterday.
What I don't understand as well is why we are able to encode our blog posts in max, or even in a custom way. That's waaaay too much in size and to be honest, it barely changes anything.
These are just empty words of an inexperienced girl who tries and tries to understand the logic of programmers, and maybe I'm mistaken.


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I'm sorry, Cyrmax, but now you're just talking nonsense. We don't know your experience and skills. I too can say that I am a butterfly specialist and that ento-ontologists from all over the world are doing something wrong. Show us some basics.
Or let's talk about specifics, based on Elten's source code, or at least your experience. And I never wanted to turn this into a childish battle of achievements, because that's not my style or intention, but now I'm starting to suspect that you don't understand the scale of the project you're talking about.

And I don't really see the point in explaining myself. If users buy premium accounts, we will maintain Elten. If not, Elten will be closed. That's all. Noone is forced to do anything.

I share the same opinion as pajper
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I'm sorry, Cyrmax, but now you're just talking nonsense. We don't know your experience and skills. I too can say that I am a butterfly specialist and that ento-ontologists from all over the world are doing something wrong. Show us some basics.
Or let's talk about specifics, based on Elten's source code, or at least your experience. And I never wanted to turn this into a childish battle of achievements, because that's not my style or intention, but now I'm starting to suspect that you don't understand the scale of the project you're talking about.

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Fuck it, I take it back. I don't want to deal with this.

I'm sad that the Elten English community group has went downhill since July of 2023. Used to be very peaceful back in June of this year and earlier.
I hope things for the English community will be back to normal soon.

I am taking a break from administrating things for a while, I think. It was a poor choice. I much prefer the coding side

Cyrmax never talked about that, but he has about 10 years of programming experience. He can code in several languages including Python, Java, Swift, a little bit of C as far as I know, BGT of course, learned Kotlin and several other less popular languages. For a few years he was taught by a man who coded things for military matters. His desire to help says absolutely everything. A general programmer wouldn't stop and try to give advice, but he helps his friends and acquaintances every day to write different. codes. He's been involved in writing the TT media bot, he's written a telegram bot to turn voice messages into text, he has several unpublished projects of his own that he's working on day in and day out. As I understand he is currently working on writing a telegram bot, maintaining all three of his servers, and also working on accessibility at VK as a software tester. If anyone, he knows what programming is and can tell who has experience and who doesn't. Frankly, there is a lot we could learn from him, and I say that not just because I lov him as a person, but because I think so anyway. Basically, I like the fact that he does not approach beginners with egoism, but with a pure desire to help. But unfortunately, anyone who thinks they have achieved everything will not see that.
There is a story in Russian called "скупой богач", "the selfish rich". It is a story about the truth that the poor are able to give from the little they have before the rich are able to give from the much they have accumulated. Kirill might be able to explain it all much better in Russian, he's endlessly trying to finally stop talking to the white wall and is in hopes, that someone finally understands. So far as I know, he has not seen a single euro from his programs, but I say a word and he immediately writes a script or program that will work forever afterwards. An organisation is a slightly different matter. Here it's all about money.
It is not enough that Elten demands much more money from its users than pays for the server; you are not even interested in new options to make it less expensive to pay for everything. Besides, these prices seem too high to me. I am not saying that they are unrealistic, but I am not saying that they are entirely fair either.
If you can buy such a good server for 25 euros, I cannot understand with my naive brain what costs 3000 euros a year. That is the first problem. But the second, and biggest, is why the Prowadnica foundation is running on Elten's server when you know very well that the two will not work together. The foundation needs to dedicate a better server to run anything related to it. There is a reason why Cyrmax has three servers. I, as a Hungarian citizen, see no point in sponsoring an organisation that not only does not help us, but is not even capable of doing so, because we are talking about a local foundation, which is only of any use to the Polish blind. And I am sure that if I lived there and I came to you, you would help me, but I do not live in Poland and neither do 99% of the English community.
On such a platform, I would not want Hungarian people to register, even if it is because of my unfinished translation which I've never given out. I don't want them to feel cheated.

I'm sorry but you didn't even administrate anything. Dos it mean you are taking your neat little forum's domain down as well? Just because most of us read agnet too...

-- (SightlessWolf):
I am taking a break from administrating things for a while, I think. It was a poor choice. I much prefer the coding side

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