The last thing I care about is the way they advertise themselves. If the product is really good and people use it, then it doesn't really need advertisements either ways. When I used NVDA for the first time, one of my friends recommended it to me and I didn't see any of their advertisements or slogans.
Όταν θα κοιτάς την θάλασσα Χωρίς να το θέλεις, θα βλέπεις εμένα Και τα μάτια σου θα ‘ναι θλιμμένα Όταν θα ξυπνάς στον ύπνο σου Χωρίς να το θέλεις, θα σκέφτεσαι εμένα Και θα νιώθεις μεγάλο κενό
And its good, but if the people behind the project are bad, then the project can't be good either. They will cheat all of you soon and something bad might happen. All that I said is just my private opinion: use nVDA if you like it, very good. But I hold them in the biggest disregard
- "Intelligence and wisdom is like jam. The less you have, the harder you're trying to spread it arround." - French proverb
I'm really curious about what method do you think they would cheat with? How do you imagine that situation?
Όταν θα κοιτάς την θάλασσα Χωρίς να το θέλεις, θα βλέπεις εμένα Και τα μάτια σου θα ‘ναι θλιμμένα Όταν θα ξυπνάς στον ύπνο σου Χωρίς να το θέλεις, θα σκέφτεσαι εμένα Και θα νιώθεις μεγάλο κενό
"Cheat" is the wrong word, but I don't know a better one in Enlgish. There are some things that might happen: 1. The software might start containing advertisments, like GW Connect or RS Games. 2. They might just abandon it. Yes, it is open source but that won't help. Open source is really bad IMHO. 3. As they grow enough money, they will start release rubbish updates. I don't know what new functions are added because I honestly don't give a fuck,. but even long-term NVDA users says that the updates are more and more shitty with each new version
- "Intelligence and wisdom is like jam. The less you have, the harder you're trying to spread it arround." - French proverb
You have a point in that the updates are shitty month by month though.
Όταν θα κοιτάς την θάλασσα Χωρίς να το θέλεις, θα βλέπεις εμένα Και τα μάτια σου θα ‘ναι θλιμμένα Όταν θα ξυπνάς στον ύπνο σου Χωρίς να το θέλεις, θα σκέφτεσαι εμένα Και θα νιώθεις μεγάλο κενό
I don't intend on converting the whole world to using Zhengdu, but I want to see that NV Access, the organization many blind people consider to be angels are in fact a group of thieves and opportunists.
- "Intelligence and wisdom is like jam. The less you have, the harder you're trying to spread it arround." - French proverb
Of course, some people working at NV Access might be good, but the organization as a whole is, and I won't change my mind. But for those who want to provoke me, I won't repeat this statement the second time. It has been said once and everyoine acknowledgedm y opinion on them
- "Intelligence and wisdom is like jam. The less you have, the harder you're trying to spread it arround." - French proverb
I never said they are angels, but I never considered them to be thieves. They ask you if you could give them a few dollars, but if you can't, it's fine. I'm going to try zhengdu as I promised, because I'd see if I'd like it more than NVDA. Maybe my opinion will be different then.
Όταν θα κοιτάς την θάλασσα Χωρίς να το θέλεις, θα βλέπεις εμένα Και τα μάτια σου θα ‘ναι θλιμμένα Όταν θα ξυπνάς στον ύπνο σου Χωρίς να το θέλεις, θα σκέφτεσαι εμένα Και θα νιώθεις μεγάλο κενό
One thing I can say is that you need such slogans and advertisements in such a capitalist world anyway. Not to justify NV Access. -- (nuno69): I don't have any problem with the fact that they ask for donations. My problem lies with their advertisment slogans and attitude.
I totally disagree here. NVDA is open-source and can always be taken over by someone willing to help people in such a case. -- (nuno69): And its good, but if the people behind the project are bad, then the project can't be good either. They will cheat all of you soon and something bad might happen. All that I said is just my private opinion: use nVDA if you like it, very good. But I hold them in the biggest disregard
Narrator? Ugh, huge no there... I had several attempts to use it but. Eh.
Όταν θα κοιτάς την θάλασσα Χωρίς να το θέλεις, θα βλέπεις εμένα Και τα μάτια σου θα ‘ναι θλιμμένα Όταν θα ξυπνάς στον ύπνο σου Χωρίς να το θέλεις, θα σκέφτεσαι εμένα Και θα νιώθεις μεγάλο κενό
It's come a long way since windows 2000. Especially in windows 8 and 10, there were some noticeable improvements. But I can't quite endurce narrator as well. I guess I just got too used to how NVDA works.
I've got one question though about what's been said in post 324. How can you be so sure that open source won't help? Also, Enes, I'm interested about what you have to say to post 324. I'm under the impression that you didn't read it yet.