However they're called, their issue, not mine.
I just happened to scroll through this thread and would like to address a few points. The reasons why someone identifies as transgender remain largely unclear to this day. Psychological factors such as childhood trauma are being discussed, but physical and genetic factors cannot be ruled out either. So it’s impossible to say whether it’s actually a mental disorder. The fact is, it involves real emotional distress that people who aren’t in a similar situation often can’t relate to. It takes a very long time to come to terms with oneself, and the shame and fear of society’s reaction are immense. Coming out—no matter who you reveal yourself to—takes an incredible amount of courage, because many people don’t expect it, and you simply can’t predict the reaction.
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Why shouldn't it only be mental, though? Like, what's the proof against that?
DNA, all the bilions of cells we have, are largely different from boy to girl. Thus, I can't see how, in any logical way, you can change your true sex unless masks are the real thing now. Well, wait until you turn a skeleton and nobody can tell. If anything, it remains feelings that wern't ever reality.
DNA, all the bilions of cells we have, are largely different from boy to girl. Thus, I can't see how, in any logical way, you can change your true sex unless masks are the real thing now. Well, wait until you turn a skeleton and nobody can tell. If anything, it remains feelings that wern't ever reality.
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yes, it could just as easily be psychological. And yet, the feelings are very real. What you perceive as real or unreal may be completely different for others. If someone identifies as a woman or a man, and this does not correspond to their biological sex at birth—for whatever reason—then that is real, and it doesn’t harm anyone. How you perceive these people is, of course, up to you. But why not accept it and address them by the name and pronouns that are correct from their perspective? If I were to call you Maria right now and address you with the pronouns “she” and “her,” you would find that wrong. That is how trans people feel when they are identified by the biological sex they perceive as incorrect.
yes, it could just as easily be psychological. And yet, the feelings are very real. What you perceive as real or unreal may be completely different for others. If someone identifies as a woman or a man, and this does not correspond to their biological sex at birth—for whatever reason—then that is real, and it doesn’t harm anyone. How you perceive these people is, of course, up to you. But why not accept it and address them by the name and pronouns that are correct from their perspective? If I were to call you Maria right now and address you with the pronouns “she” and “her,” you would find that wrong. That is how trans people feel when they are identified by the biological sex they perceive as incorrect.
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Not sure how many times this has to be restated but us critics *reject* your premise.
If you would call Marc Maria now, you'd indeed use a wrong name and pronouns. But if you would call a transgender person with their true pronouns or name, you wouldn't directly be saying that is something which isn't true, because technically it is. Just hitting a switch like that isn't possible. Also, you said it woul be real which I don't understand. Does the following make it real too?
Anyway guys I'm black and 3 meters tall now please believe me and don't make fun of me please thanks
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That’s why I said
yes, it could just as easily be psychological. And yet, the feelings are very real. What you perceive as real or unreal may be completely different for others. If someone identifies as a woman or a man, and this does not correspond to their biological sex at birth—for whatever reason—then that is real, and it doesn’t harm anyone. How you perceive these people is, of course, up to you. But why not accept it and address them by the name and pronouns that are correct from their perspective? If I were to call you Maria right now and address you with the pronouns “she” and “her,” you would find that wrong. That is how trans people feel when they are identified by the biological sex they perceive as incorrect.
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Anyway guys I'm black and 3 meters tall now please believe me and don't make fun of me please thanks
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That’s why I said
yes, it could just as easily be psychological. And yet, the feelings are very real. What you perceive as real or unreal may be completely different for others. If someone identifies as a woman or a man, and this does not correspond to their biological sex at birth—for whatever reason—then that is real, and it doesn’t harm anyone. How you perceive these people is, of course, up to you. But why not accept it and address them by the name and pronouns that are correct from their perspective? If I were to call you Maria right now and address you with the pronouns “she” and “her,” you would find that wrong. That is how trans people feel when they are identified by the biological sex they perceive as incorrect.
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Lmao, real. A good rule of thumb for evaluating your ideas is that if they can getabsolutely swept by a rudimentary application of logic your ideas are retarded.
someone that is trans indeed is born that way. scientists have proven. in the second trimester of pregnancy, the brain develops differently then the body. the brain develops different hormones and is physically built differently. a girls body could be living and breathing but the brain itself could be male. once everythings developed and realized that's how (trans gender as it's labeled) is opened. trauma has nothing to do with it. sometimes it can lead up to a faster understanding but it's not the start off cause.
Why would you want to be 3 metres tall?
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No, I wouldn't feel wrong about it, I know for a fact that it is. Truth is never, and has never, been based on temporary feelings that might move with the wind anyway.
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That’s why I said
yes, it could just as easily be psychological. And yet, the feelings are very real. What you perceive as real or unreal may be completely different for others. If someone identifies as a woman or a man, and this does not correspond to their biological sex at birth—for whatever reason—then that is real, and it doesn’t harm anyone. How you perceive these people is, of course, up to you. But why not accept it and address them by the name and pronouns that are correct from their perspective? If I were to call you Maria right now and address you with the pronouns “she” and “her,” you would find that wrong. That is how trans people feel when they are identified by the biological sex they perceive as incorrect.
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-- (tonio2007):
That’s why I said
yes, it could just as easily be psychological. And yet, the feelings are very real. What you perceive as real or unreal may be completely different for others. If someone identifies as a woman or a man, and this does not correspond to their biological sex at birth—for whatever reason—then that is real, and it doesn’t harm anyone. How you perceive these people is, of course, up to you. But why not accept it and address them by the name and pronouns that are correct from their perspective? If I were to call you Maria right now and address you with the pronouns “she” and “her,” you would find that wrong. That is how trans people feel when they are identified by the biological sex they perceive as incorrect.
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Can't you accept my choize? Nobody in this society has some respect to accept who I decide to be.
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Why would you want to be 3 metres tall?
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Why would you want to be 3 metres tall?
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Not exactly related to trans gender, and also a way bigger issue in germany, but why would you want to have pronouns xey, xem, dey dem, whatever the heck. Yes, there *are* people who do expect people to refer to them that way. There is just no legimate reason to make up some words and force other people to accept it. Also, to clarify this, I think it is simply a sin, these people should be praid for and helped. But I don't hate them, nor would speak hateful about them. Personally I can 0% relate and think it's some case of mental illness, but ok. TBH, 99% of these people don't want to even listen to you anymore these days because they're so locked in in thinking you just disrespect them that I can't help them either. I don't avoid trans people, and I try to bring up the respect that I think is necessery for the given person, but also, I will just not make it to big of a topic either, because of what I've said above. If the person keeps it reasonable, and isn't one of these people who make it their entire identity and don't have anything else to say about themself, I'll still interact with them.
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Why would you want to be 3 metres tall?
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Why would you want to be 3 metres tall?
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State of mind changes, too. And I know you'll probably disagree with me on this because you're affected and don't have a distanced view from outside, but what if you're no longer happy with the decision in 10 years? These days, psychical things get physical quite quickly I feel like. But well, again, I guess this reaction just comes because I can absolutely not relate why you'd want to activly destroy your great god given body and modify it into something it was never intended for, which is hardly reversable...
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That’s why I said
yes, it could just as easily be psychological. And yet, the feelings are very real. What you perceive as real or unreal may be completely different for others. If someone identifies as a woman or a man, and this does not correspond to their biological sex at birth—for whatever reason—then that is real, and it doesn’t harm anyone. How you perceive these people is, of course, up to you. But why not accept it and address them by the name and pronouns that are correct from their perspective? If I were to call you Maria right now and address you with the pronouns “she” and “her,” you would find that wrong. That is how trans people feel when they are identified by the biological sex they perceive as incorrect.
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-- (tonio2007):
That’s why I said
yes, it could just as easily be psychological. And yet, the feelings are very real. What you perceive as real or unreal may be completely different for others. If someone identifies as a woman or a man, and this does not correspond to their biological sex at birth—for whatever reason—then that is real, and it doesn’t harm anyone. How you perceive these people is, of course, up to you. But why not accept it and address them by the name and pronouns that are correct from their perspective? If I were to call you Maria right now and address you with the pronouns “she” and “her,” you would find that wrong. That is how trans people feel when they are identified by the biological sex they perceive as incorrect.
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That’s why this discussion is actually meaningful—it helps capture different perspectives. Of course, some people regret transitioning, but the vast majority do not, and there are long-term statistics to back that up. Keep in mind that being transgender isn’t something that’s only been around for a few years. Personally, I think it’s only so prominent because social media covers the topic so often, and honestly, that’s not necessarily a good thing. You always have to be careful, but yes, there are definitely people who start a transition just to get attention. You don’t have to bring up the topic everywhere, though. Other things should be daily conversation topics; anyone who only talks about this tends to show signs that they want to generate attention.
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LOL Yeah, first thing you read in a bio: trans, 50 rainbow emojies and hashtags. Is that the thing that people should know first about you?
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Not exactly related to trans gender, and also a way bigger issue in germany, but why would you want to have pronouns xey, xem, dey dem, whatever the heck. Yes, there *are* people who do expect people to refer to them that way. There is just no legimate reason to make up some words and force other people to accept it. Also, to clarify this, I think it is simply a sin, these people should be praid for and helped. But I don't hate them, nor would speak hateful about them. Personally I can 0% relate and think it's some case of mental illness, but ok. TBH, 99% of these people don't want to even listen to you anymore these days because they're so locked in in thinking you just disrespect them that I can't help them either. I don't avoid trans people, and I try to bring up the respect that I think is necessery for the given person, but also, I will just not make it to big of a topic either, because of what I've said above. If the person keeps it reasonable, and isn't one of these people who make it their entire identity and don't have anything else to say about themself, I'll still interact with them.
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Why would you want to be 3 metres tall?
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-- (Jonathan):
Not exactly related to trans gender, and also a way bigger issue in germany, but why would you want to have pronouns xey, xem, dey dem, whatever the heck. Yes, there *are* people who do expect people to refer to them that way. There is just no legimate reason to make up some words and force other people to accept it. Also, to clarify this, I think it is simply a sin, these people should be praid for and helped. But I don't hate them, nor would speak hateful about them. Personally I can 0% relate and think it's some case of mental illness, but ok. TBH, 99% of these people don't want to even listen to you anymore these days because they're so locked in in thinking you just disrespect them that I can't help them either. I don't avoid trans people, and I try to bring up the respect that I think is necessery for the given person, but also, I will just not make it to big of a topic either, because of what I've said above. If the person keeps it reasonable, and isn't one of these people who make it their entire identity and don't have anything else to say about themself, I'll still interact with them.
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Why would you want to be 3 metres tall?
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No one has ever or will ever transition, that's the whole point of this discussion. We reject your premise that this is something that can occur in reality.
my brother is actually working on transitioning, my friend just got top surgery, and my other friend got the shape changed in her scull. so yes there are people transitioning
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Transition in this context denotes persons in some way passing from the state of being male to the state of being female, or vice versa. I deny this is possible.
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The thing is, there are people thinking about doing it just because everyone is doing it. You can tell me what you want but it's kind of a social pressure like other things are too.
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That’s why this discussion is actually meaningful—it helps capture different perspectives. Of course, some people regret transitioning, but the vast majority do not, and there are long-term statistics to back that up. Keep in mind that being transgender isn’t something that’s only been around for a few years. Personally, I think it’s only so prominent because social media covers the topic so often, and honestly, that’s not necessarily a good thing. You always have to be careful, but yes, there are definitely people who start a transition just to get attention. You don’t have to bring up the topic everywhere, though. Other things should be daily conversation topics; anyone who only talks about this tends to show signs that they want to generate attention.
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-- (tonio2007):
That’s why this discussion is actually meaningful—it helps capture different perspectives. Of course, some people regret transitioning, but the vast majority do not, and there are long-term statistics to back that up. Keep in mind that being transgender isn’t something that’s only been around for a few years. Personally, I think it’s only so prominent because social media covers the topic so often, and honestly, that’s not necessarily a good thing. You always have to be careful, but yes, there are definitely people who start a transition just to get attention. You don’t have to bring up the topic everywhere, though. Other things should be daily conversation topics; anyone who only talks about this tends to show signs that they want to generate attention.
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