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rudolf

#21 ·

major l. But look at this: If a server for 30 dollar gives you 250 gb storage, 10 cores and 32 gb ram, you do say that this is way to much for that price. And look at that. Another company sells 32 gb RAM, 1 tb ssd (750 gb more) and 8 cores (just 2 less) for the same price. And that is not to cheap or what? It's silly, do you even know this? Also, can you please just stay polite since nobody did anything to you? It's literally just a discussion and you're literally bitching around that I have no "prove" and that I should stay "quite". Also, I'm sure that you know nothing about my experience since we are no friends since 2 years.
Calmly waiting for a "prove",
Your sincerest Rudolf.

Jonathan

#22 ·

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It's been 2 years already? Men how time flys...
So, A, on which hardware do Contabo VPS's run? Do you think that is new, maintained hardware? B: Why don't you ask someone else of your actual friends then, you can't tell me that the experienced people on your german TT's tell you uh yeah, Contabo's fine, stick to them. C: You forgot the differences regarding the Network, and D: who says I'm not polite? Acording to your WhatsApp status and SBYW map, you're considering yourself to be a nerd, so behave like one.
At last E: read this: https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/199583/contabo-limits-my-vps-performance
or again, chechout r/vps and scroll around a little bit, the people will have reasons for what they're saying about Contabo. And at last, since this discussion will continue for ages, your "sincerest" Jonathan will now shut up and calmly wait until you either understand it, or your VPS fucks up itself. Good night.

Jonathan

#23 ·

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Oh, sorry, your favorite Contabo hater has a few words left: something you'll also experience when your server messed up and you wanna make the switch, you can't even put your own cancellation date, well no big deal so far but they just put it at some random date in the next month, which means you'll pay max another half month for a server you aren't even actively using. Any major action such as a cancellation/transfer whatever, I had to sit in front of my phone for 20 minutes to speak to some employee who tried to lie to me, I even had to call another hotline since the German wasn't reachable for days.
Yes, you don't see it as a casual/generic/newbie Linux user, and you don't care either at all because now it's my time to say, your mom pays your server. But I care about which companies I give my money. And even if it's just because I think UpCloud is extremely customer friendly and sympathetic, well then... Enjoy the Contabo ride as long as it lasts, noone stops you. If you're actually that convinced in them why do you even waste your time discussing with me at this point?

rudolf

#24 ·

See, but that is even worse. 1 gb vs. 100 mb for th same price. 700 gb more for the same price as Contabo. I just can't understand how that does sound proper for you since yu said Contabo is giving you to much for a low price. Basically post 15 gets the same resources as Contabo, plus 900 mb internet and 700 gb and this is not a bad deal or what?

khalil2009

#25 ·

1 polubień
so what is this over selling thing you guys are talking about? I have had contabo for over a year and in that time, I havent had any issues that were listed. I run 3 websites, 2 teamtalk servers, a remote server

Jonathan

#26 ·

1 polubień
https://www.web-hosting.net.my/what-is-overselling/
-- (khalil2009):
so what is this over selling thing you guys are talking about? I have had contabo for over a year and in that time, I havent had any issues that were listed. I run 3 websites, 2 teamtalk servers, a remote server

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Jonathan

#27 ·

Also @17, are you telling me I shouldn't "hate" them for the down times every half week, which they did admit when I logged in on the control panel, but nowhere else? And again, I contacted them more than enough times to ask what's wrong.
Have you ever seen any public or professional service being hosted at Contabo? I mean, now they're trying to get me back with ridiculous promo codes, and if it aren't the VPS's, even that they overprice their domains that hard just shows their actual intention, though I guess the domain business is something different again, many do that. On the contrary, Hetzner, which is a German company as well, seems to offer reliable servers for a good price. I'm not sure what to think about them, but the official website of our city, as well as our city's YMCA web page and some other shit on the German web I stumbled over is being hosted at Hetzner, from people which seem to have a bit of clue what they're doing. Won't personally use them cuz I'm good at UpCloud, but if you want a German company not Contabo.

Jonathan

#28 ·

And you're trying to tell me you need that ton of specs from post 6 to host that? You'd be good with 2-4 CPU, 2-4GB RAM and, dk, depends on the websites but absolute max 100GB SSD. Yes, that's probably the same price as the bs Contabo gives you atm at another provider, example UpCloud for 19 bucks, but at least you know what you're actually paying for.

-- (khalil2009):
so what is this over selling thing you guys are talking about? I have had contabo for over a year and in that time, I havent had any issues that were listed. I run 3 websites, 2 teamtalk servers, a remote server

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rudolf

#29 ·

1 polubień
Actually I always thought that they all just were complaining that Contabo gives you to much resources for less costs and that is the story. Now actually overselling does make sense to me, thanks for the useful resource.
-- (Jonathan):
https://www.web-hosting.net.my/what-is-overselling/
-- (khalil2009):
so what is this over selling thing you guys are talking about? I have had contabo for over a year and in that time, I havent had any issues that were listed. I run 3 websites, 2 teamtalk servers, a remote server

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Jonathan

#30 ·

np, it's actually not only used in the hosting business, for example AirLines do that too sometimes, it's shitty, imo.
-- (rudolf):
Actually I always thought that they all just were complaining that Contabo gives you to much resources for less costs and that is the story. Now actually overselling does make sense to me, thanks for the useful resource.
-- (Jonathan):
https://www.web-hosting.net.my/what-is-overselling/
-- (khalil2009):
so what is this over selling thing you guys are talking about? I have had contabo for over a year and in that time, I havent had any issues that were listed. I run 3 websites, 2 teamtalk servers, a remote server

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rudolf

#31 ·

but ngl upcloud is shameless expensive. Look at OVH or semilar providers used by many people. Even Hetzner is way cheaper, or DSH for example although I do not really like them and had bad experiences with DSH.
-- (Jonathan):
And you're trying to tell me you need that ton of specs from post 6 to host that? You'd be good with 2-4 CPU, 2-4GB RAM and, dk, depends on the websites but absolute max 100GB SSD. Yes, that's probably the same price as the bs Contabo gives you atm at another provider, example UpCloud for 19 bucks, but at least you know what you're actually paying for.

-- (khalil2009):
so what is this over selling thing you guys are talking about? I have had contabo for over a year and in that time, I havent had any issues that were listed. I run 3 websites, 2 teamtalk servers, a remote server

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Jonathan

#32 ·

Edytowano
UpCloud's pricing is very simular to Digetal Ocean/Linode, yes they're all eexpensive. As I said, for a good german price, I guess go to Hetzner, but this is no recommendation as I've never tryed them, in fact they rejected my account creaation several times. I only know many german people apparently trust them with more or less important web services. Also DSH is pretty small, I know to less about them to say a lot but well. No idea about OVH either tbh, haven't seen many people using them though.

rudolf

#33 ·

I did actually some research on that subject.
See this poll: https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/183755/hetzner-vs-ovh-vs-contabo-vs-netcup-which-one-might-be-the-worst
$10-15 server:
Hetzner: CPX31, VCPU 4, RAM 8 gb, NVME SSD 160 gb, TRAFFIC INCL. 20 tb, $15.59. See: https://www.hetzner.com/cloud/
OVH: VLE-4 / Comfort, AMD EPYC / Intel Xeon 4 vCores, 4 gb / 4 to 16 gb RAM, 80 gb / from 80 to 320 gb ssd/NVMe, 1 Gbps unmetered*, $9.35/$15.98, see: https://www.ovhcloud.com/en/vps/vps-epyc/ and https://www.ovhcloud.com/en/vps/vps-intel/
So you see these both are actually both quite acceptable, however I since more people seem to like Hetzner than OVH probably it's worth to choose it.

rudolf

#34 ·

1 polubień
Sam used OVH for Survive the Wild hosting which didn't went bad, considering he even had a dedicated server which is usually difficulter to maintayn. DSH has only 2 thousand servers, that's correct. And yeah, people like Karmien use Hetzner for dedicated servers and vps' as well, but since they seem to switch their server every 2 months I have no clue how it is now ;)
-- (Jonathan):
UpCloud's pricing is very simular to Digetal Ocean/Linode, yes they're all eexpensive. As I said, for a good german price, I guess go to Hetzner, but this is no recommendation as I've never tryed them, in fact they rejected my account creaation several times. I only know many german people apparently trust them with more or less important web services. Also DHS is pretty small, I know to less about them to say a lot but well. No idea about OVH either tbh, haven't seen many people using them though.

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Jonathan

#35 ·

L, I see. Didn't he also use Vultr for a while? Acording to my IPLocator nvgt.gg, therefore his entire web stuff at least is at Organisation: Vultr Holdings, LLC
-- (rudolf):
Sam used OVH for Survive the Wild hosting which didn't went bad, considering he even had a dedicated server which is usually difficulter to maintayn. DSH has only 2 thousand servers, that's correct. And yeah, people like Karmien use Hetzner for dedicated servers and vps' as well, but since they seem to switch their server every 2 months I have no clue how it is now ;)
-- (Jonathan):
UpCloud's pricing is very simular to Digetal Ocean/Linode, yes they're all eexpensive. As I said, for a good german price, I guess go to Hetzner, but this is no recommendation as I've never tryed them, in fact they rejected my account creaation several times. I only know many german people apparently trust them with more or less important web services. Also DHS is pretty small, I know to less about them to say a lot but well. No idea about OVH either tbh, haven't seen many people using them though.

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rudolf

#36 ·

Organisation on IP locators must not directly mean that the organisation is the data center it stands in, it's the organisation of the IP and internet provider which must not be forcefully the same as the server provider. Also, he switched his servers (see linked resources below), so if previous called explaination is not true this could be.
https://samtupy.com/blog/2023/02/feb23outage-update1/
Update_progress_up_to_November_24th.txt (attached):
As we near the end of October, something else has begun to come up. STW has been using the same windows server since some time in 2017, only receiving periodic windows updates from time to time. The CPU the server is using is like 3 years older than the server. While we'd wanted to switch servers for a while now, we figured we could at least save that for after the long awaited update... right? Well like I said we thought so, until we did some bandwidth calculations and realized that the network connection on this old server very well may not be able to handle streaming loads of audio to hundreds of people. The introduction of voice chat is what already made these bandwidth calculations so high, and we became quite worried that integrating the streaming of sound effects and music on top of that may potentially, at least at some times with enough players, max out our current server's network connection. So that was the final push, and we decided to get a new server. First was server shopping, which I'm not very good at. In the end though I'd rather over prevision a server by 500% than under prevision it by 5%, and I eventually got a server with 10 times our current bandwidth, the hope being that we'll always have some left over to spare. We'd also been wanting to switch to a linux server for literally years, but had never done so because BGT can't run on linux without wine or something. As a result I chose to go all in and make the new server a linux one. I spent much of the last week of October researching and learning things I needed to know to make sure I manage a new linux server properly, and experimented with new methods for establishing better relay connections than the stwserverbridge application we have now. Suspicions of wine being too slow for STW's server were realized when we tried running the Windows beta server executable on the new Linux server with Wine and saw that some actions took nearly twice as long to complete as they did on the old, lower spec server. Well shoot, guess it's time to learn how to compile stuff on linux and then to build my BGT rewrite natively on Linux!
Building NVGT (the name of my BGT rewrite) for linux actually didn't take too long all things considered, it was just absolutely brutal. While I've used linux a bit before (enough to know I most definitely wanted to use it as my server operating system), I hadn't developed on it before. Some things were impressively easy and took minutes, for example building most of NVGT's dependencies. But though I'd written NVGT with cross platform in mind from the start, I still found myself learning (almost from scratch) a new compiler toolchain while actively trying to figure out the best way to either edit on linux or transfer modified code files very quickly to the server because I was fixing hundreds of linux specific coding errors in NVGT. I spent about 2-3 days just fixing absolutely loads of these errors all over the project. And when things finally did start running, there were of course all sorts of runtime bugs I then had to fix. I think as of this writing there is still some difference between Window's and Linux's math libraries that's jacking up some of the server's rotation calculations which I still need to figure out and address. Generally though I started hardcore building NVGT for linux on November 1st, and the server was running in a near stable condition NATIVELY ON LINUX! a week later. This was accomplished by several rather sleepless nights with not enough breaks being taken, but it's done now, sans that math issue.

-- (Jonathan):
L, I see. Didn't he also use Vultr for a while? Acording to my IPLocator nvgt.gg, therefore his entire web stuff at least is at Organisation: Vultr Holdings, LLC
-- (rudolf):
Sam used OVH for Survive the Wild hosting which didn't went bad, considering he even had a dedicated server which is usually difficulter to maintayn. DSH has only 2 thousand servers, that's correct. And yeah, people like Karmien use Hetzner for dedicated servers and vps' as well, but since they seem to switch their server every 2 months I have no clue how it is now ;)
-- (Jonathan):
UpCloud's pricing is very simular to Digetal Ocean/Linode, yes they're all eexpensive. As I said, for a good german price, I guess go to Hetzner, but this is no recommendation as I've never tryed them, in fact they rejected my account creaation several times. I only know many german people apparently trust them with more or less important web services. Also DHS is pretty small, I know to less about them to say a lot but well. No idea about OVH either tbh, haven't seen many people using them though.

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spaceman

#37 ·

1 polubień
I have a linode vps right now. pretty decent specs, linux, as we all know :d and i'll look up the price in a few but its pretty nice.

spaceman

#38 ·

I have a linode vps right now. pretty decent specs, linux, as we all know :d and i'll look up the price in a few but its pretty nice.

spaceman

#39 ·

1 polubień
oops. sorry for the double post