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#41 ArcticMoon

Cyrmax, don't even bother. I was talking exactly about this to you privately. Sigh folks.



2023-07-22 18:32

#42 cyrmax

@khalil2009
Yes, they have changed it after a bunch of reports on github.
But it is still nazism and discrimination.
And by the way @pajper still does not want to do anything with this. So sad...


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2023-07-22 18:46

#43 khalil2009

wate didn't he say he fixed it in one of his post's? and there's not much he can even do about it



2023-07-22 18:48

#44 ArcticMoon

He could either rewrite the library, or use a different one, yet nothing has been done. He released a new version, but as you see, it still contains the limitation.



2023-07-22 18:50

#45 cyrmax

Yes, the only fix was an update which removed vulgar language.


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2023-07-22 19:11

#46 pajper

Hi! I updated YoutubeExplode in hope that the limitation has been removed in the newest version.
Currently I cannot find an alternative. As far as I'm aware, there's no search functionality in Youtube-DLP library. That being said, there's an option to download first of the search results by term, but not to display them.


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2023-07-23 23:11

#47 daszekmdn

Again kids joined and destroying another topic.


Sygnatura to może być w sądzie. Sygnatura sprawy np. :P
2023-07-23 23:52

#48 cyrmax

@pajper, yes, there is no search functionality in ytdlp.
I know a python library which does the job very great: youtubesearchpython. But if you need a library for another language than python, i can search, if needed.
Yes, without search function youtube program is not okay, so i try to help.
unfortunately i do not know ruby at all, so my posibilities are limited here.


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2023-07-24 10:45

#49 pajper

I released a new version of Youtube, marked 1.03.
In this version, when starting Youtube, the environment variable SLAVA_UKRAINI=1 is set to circumvent the check. The variable is set only for the process, there are no changes to the system etc, just a memory state. I wrote about it because I think it's fair to point it out.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works for now.


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Edytowano 2023-07-24 13:29

#50 cyrmax

@pajper thank you very much!
Yes, this is not the perfect solution but anyways russian people can use youtube program again without shaming our country.
Thank you again!


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2023-07-24 13:31

#51 monstricek

I extremely rarely used Youtube in Elten, so I didn't know about the dialog box that appears there. I checked it out. It's really outrageous. Okay, everyone can relate to what's going on as their conscience allows them, but that doesn't mean that their attitude can be transferred to the apps and the texts that users see. There are many people in Russia who are against the war, and anyone who doesn't know this or doesn't notice it is foolish. The common people are definitely not to blame for the political turmoil, no matter how far it goes. To allow such texts to appear in the appendix is a sign of disrespect for the whole nation. It's too much. I realize that you, David, couldn't track this down earlier, but I fervently disagree that you aren't on the lookout for alternative libraries for YouTube access. Yes, I know it's a long process, like everything else here, but I also know that by including this particular library here you are discriminating against absolutely all users from Russia and Belarus. I should add that it's impossible to pay for Elten from Russia now, and this is also discrimination, because if we're talking about equal society, about inclusion, finally just access to functions or information, this is unacceptable. Elten has enough users from Russia. All of them are blind and visually impaired, which means that they are related to unprotected groups of the population and certainly have nothing to do with the war. Realizing this, any developer would try to do everything possible, to find some way for people to use premium features here.
I am not writing this not out of a desire to complain, I hate to complain, I just want to say that I supported this program and was ready to support it further, but I am not allowed to do so, and this is not a question of sanctions, but of reluctance, because those foreign companies who wanted Russians to continue to use their services found loopholes or options to do so, and here, in Elten, there was no such way. I am frankly offended and sorry. Much could be written, but I've said enough as it is. I believe and hope that the situation with YouTube will change, although my confidence is very doubtful. I apologize for possible mistakes. My English is abysmal and I hardly use it.



2023-07-24 21:03

#52 ArcticMoon

This was tthe most reasonable, adequate, well written post I've ever seen in this topic, thank you Monstricek. I fully agree with all of your words.



2023-07-24 21:10

#53 cyrmax

@monstricek
Hello!
As you can see, @pajper did something in a new version of youtube program. For now he adds this environment variable for the program to not complain about restricted region.
Of course this is not an ideal solution and something more should be done, but at least after our angry posts he started to do something.

Regarding elten premium in Russia, it is not so easy for an individual, for big company it is easier.
Dawid have to find someone in Russia who needs russian currency and has an european bank card with lots of euros which he wants to exchange to rub.
i know the only one person with such situation, she is a citizen of Latvia but lives in russia, she is blind and receives some money from her country. so she needs more russian currency and she offers foreign payments for russian people to exchange euros to rub.


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2023-07-24 21:11

#54 cyrmax

@monstricek
sorry for doubleposting, but i totally agree with all of your words.
Some of your thoughts i allready wrote here or on audio games forum in two topics regarding political stuff in software.


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2023-07-24 21:12

#55 monstricek

@cyrmax Hi. Glad you showed up here. First of all, I absolutely agree with all your texts on Audiogames, and I would agree in writing there as well, but I don't have an account, however, I read this forum.
I see that the situation has changed and the program is still working correctly, but I don't think patches are the answer. It's important that it just doesn't happen again. We in Russia will survive the fact that someone hates us, the question is the reputation of the program itself and how people will perceive it. An ordinary user will not understand what library the program uses, the user will simply resent it and move on, to a place where he is welcome and does not point out his origin, forcing him to change something in the operating system to please some strange people. Once again, ok, it's good that the situation has changed now, but it's important that it doesn't happen again.
Meanwhile, I don't believe that the payment situation will be solved so easily, but I am waiting for some reasonable steps from David. It is important that the payment option is available to everyone. Even if 2 or 3 people use it, it doesn't matter. What matters is the openness and friendliness of the developer, who acts without stereotypes and in the interests of users, regardless of what countries these users are from.
As a matter of fact, I see the decline of the non-Polish language part of this program precisely because there was little contact with users and the program was originally oriented only to the Polish market. I, say, would be glad if the Russian community would develop, but I am not ready to promote a program that limits users from my country in opportunities. Besides, I'm not sure that people, most of whom now use smartphones, will want to use Elten, because there is often nothing fundamentally new here, nothing that they can't get elsewhere. The main argument for me, though, remains precisely the inability to pay, and the general instability of the customer.
And the thing is that the years go by, and almost nothing changes. OK, it's all clear with payment, although the war didn't start yesterday, you could think about people, especially since I've already raised this issue. Well, the author is so hot-hearted at the word "Ukraine" and does not need Russian money so much that he does not want to organize the possibility of payment, but the instability of the program does not suit many people. Ok, these many people are not programmers, I, for example, am definitely not a programmer, but there were attempts of the author to work with someone else. Probably the author was not too persistent with those he worked with, otherwise I can't explain why almost nothing came out of many promising ideas and conversations.
And no, I'm not accusing, I'm not labeling, I'm just saying that users, including those from my horrible Russia, are increasingly choosing other social networks, and if you want to keep people here, you have to do something and do it quickly, not wait for the weather. It only seems that not many people are leaving here. I am a moderator in the Polish community and I can see very well how the number of users and quality of discussions has dropped recently. Many people have left precisely because of the frankly bad moderation system here, which often makes moderators unable to respond quickly. The second reason for leaving, as I wrote above, is the instability of the app. And these are not just my words. I've talked to different people from Poland and Russia, and they all cite the same arguments.
What can be done? First of all, to conduct a survey, to understand what users need and what features are not needed, to improve the moderation system, to think about the possibility of speeding up the program, to establish payment methods from different countries. It's really important.
PS. Kirill and Niki, I'm very glad that we think alike and I'm glad that there are people here who finally spoke loudly and actively about the problems. Of course, I hardly believe that this will change anything, but at least you tried.



2023-07-25 07:12

#56 fatih

I don't use the youtube app on elten, I use the youtube website, and if I need to download a youtube video in mp3 format, I just type youtube-mp3 on yandex and use the first result that appears, although according to what I've heard, youtube premium is blocked in Russia and Russian peope are not allowed to upgrade their windows 11 omputer to the latest version of windows 11, which is really aweful.



2023-07-27 19:15

#57 magistral

Yeah @fatih you're kinda right, but TBH, for me, I don't need YT premium, because we don't have ads though.


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2023-07-27 19:56

#58 fatih

I could use an ad blocker to block ads, but I need the mode which lets me watch the videos while the screen is locked on the phone, so I'm subscribed to youtube premium.
Ot: What other services are effected by sanctions except windows 11 and youtube premium in Russia? Just curious.



2023-07-27 19:59

#59 magistral

As an example I can say that we cannot buy games on gamepass or ps store, and most of people making cards in kg/kz, or using Oldubill or similar virtual cards. For sure, some Services sel's giftcards or however it's called but they are not quite popular as far as I know.


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2023-07-27 20:29

#60 fatih

Hmm, I see. What kind of restrictions do you face while using products like youtube, faceboo, twitter, apple, amazon etc.?



2023-07-27 20:31