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I don't think they'll have a look at elten. I guess they are busy with other things. I could be wrong though, smiles.
#22 railwayguy
I don't think either; but I just mentionned it for fun. Klango is a done deal, Period.
#23 pajper
They do know about Elten, honestly, we had some kind of fight regarding the project, cause Simplito is, let me say, definitely hostile to Elten.
Shoot for the Moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.
#24 railwayguy
Well whatever they do know or do not know, Klango has died and been buried and that's the end of that. They could have had a much brighter future with their program but they threw it away!
#25 hozosch
Yep. I think that also the new GDPR was getting in the way there. I suppose they could have adapted their privacy policy, but they decided to shut it down because they were too lazy for that. That's my and Eric's (etno's) theory.
#26 railwayguy
Yes, you're right!
#27 SonicHedgehog
Elten: The Klango for the modern generation, and then some?
#28 SonicHedgehog
I've got my YouTube in Foobar2000, email in ThunderBird and Klango? The curious audio network that quietly taps me with interesting ideas should I decide to go there.
#29 theblack
How big the platform has become in all these years. 80 connected users:
#30 GeorgeWu
One time during the summer we had like a hundred users online
#31 marchoffmann
No also a few days ago, was it 105 or something?
#32 marchoffmann
But imagine 17 people online now. Oof...
#33 patricus
that happens when you don't fix bugs and security issues. good luck keeping even 16 users, I know it'll drop to 6 this year.
#34 rudolf
Hello.
While I generally agree and Elten is seriously just buggy and laggy as hell, please respect a mann and his work. See, I also posted posts that are - looking back - quite embarassing and just not nice. And at this point I would like to appologize too. I got into programming within the last months, and while I by no means claim I'm good I still rekognize how many hundreds of hours it needed to take for elten to become what it is now. It's only natural that with it, a lot of bugs exists. Sometimes it's very demotivating to realize that a lot of things need to be changed so something might could work again.
Again, don't get me wrong. I fully understand you and I agree that something needs to be done. Elten does not comply with the gdpr and the Europian privacy rights currently, and has lots of lags and bugs that not really make it worth staying. Unfortunately, the community just makes it worse. And I also think that instead of features getting added, we seriously do need a bugfixing session. Pajper is a busy man though, and is currently - as far as I figured from a Polish forum - redoing the website and obviously having an own job too. Which not everyone will like, but must accept. And you can't force yourself to program as much as you might want to. I'm coming home at 5 PM from school and I'm completely exhausted too.
I do not want to seem like I'm 100% behind Pajper, because currently I don't understand the plan and where Elten is supposed to go. It literally could be on a downhill or just be weeks before a gamechanging 3.0 update that fixes the lag and everything. But I want to bring clear that being a programmer is a frustrrating thing at times and this - as I realized - does not make it better even though it needs to be said.
Then on the other hand, Elten claims to be open source. Spoiler, it is not. The server code is old (5 years?) as hell, and the repository is - as of my last knowledge status - not getting updated in lifetime but rather just every version with one commit. It is got Pajper wants to encourage people to contribute, but how so? See, I'm not even assuming a lot of things here. I asked. I do not know Rubi, but still I asked about the server because it seemed very out of date already in 2022 and I was curious.
Anyway, I do not know where to go with this post, so I'm leaving it here for now. Just bare in mind that Elten seriously needs a bit of love in terms of privacy (messages we delete aren't deleted from the server, see xports), rights (it's a 'MUST' that I can export and delete every single bit of my data), bugs and the lag (it can't take 5 seconds to get a list of forums from a server that is just a few hundred killometer away and has a ping of 14 milliseconds. The client runs on a 8 core, 16 threads and 32 gb ddr5 RAM computer that is 8 months old), and probably will not really hesitate as long to vanish as soon as we have proper poll-, blog- and forum post exporting as well as true account deletion (not even your password is deleted during archivation. It's purely a sign of 'hey, I'm gone. And you can't view how many forum posts I made or what my name is. Ha Ha Ha').
At the end though very likely this post - and the topic it's in - just will die out. Unfortunately. Because I think it would be so, so important if we could genuinely and seriously consider and discuss about Elten's future and the state of things. Together. The English community is not involved at all and this is sad.