Lets Talk About the Issue of Transgenderism

I don't like trans people cus I can't make them preggo

I mean, isn't procreation a key function and purpose of human beings?

Hi all! Well, I think we all should see what we are getting if we let those oppinions grow. Well, I think, there is nothing bad in criticism of several fucked up transgender people, but after all its they're body and they're right to choose. Well, but something I also have to critisice is that many of the trans people are influenced by social media and social pressures. But well, I don't think that every trans person is mentally ill or weird somehow.

That's true, you have a point there. Social media is a problem, especially TikTok. But we should respect people who are serious about it

So called "transgender" people are the product of a false, harmful, and frankly dangerous ideology which indoctrinates it's adherents into believing that their mistaken beliefs about their own identity must be affirmed by the rest of society. Failure to affirm such an absurd proposition, and the myriad of other absurd propositions which go along with it, is treated as if it were an act of violence. For this reason alone we ought to heavily scrutinize the ideology rather than adopt a live and let live attitude, or worse, treat it as divinely revealed dogma that is beyond dispute.

My gosh! I have to agree with @34! Well, @36, let the people themselves decide! We — especially not all of us — are not included in the bodies, brains, and identities of transgender people. Just fucking let them decide what they want to do with their own bodies! It’s not your body that someone is making decisions for! You don’t have to transition to another gender! Let people decide what to do with their own identities!
I also think everyone should be allowed to criticize fucked-up trans people — they’re just normal persons, like we are too. And I also think that especially TikTok and Instagram might force or push some people to transition to another gender, but fucking just let people do it if they’re serious about it!

@35: Good one. Thanks. @36: go breathe some air and touch some grass. @37: Well, I partly have to agree.

Hi, why do you agree only partly?

There is moltiple ways of looking at this convo and what should be done about it, but in any case its retarded that we decide to incurage it.

Astonished at the absolute lack of reading comprehension and the incredible amount of fallacies that have to be employed to compensate for it.

no, just let them live there lives

Alright, so I'll comment on here because it seems that the discourse is more productive on this thread.
@1, I think your analysis is spot on with respect to transgenderism as an idea. But I would push back on the claim that no harm is being done to society. I believe it is damaging on multiple levels, one of which being that a proposterous and illogical ideology has been elevated to the status of dogma in the public consciousness, to the extent that questioning it carries with it social and even legal consequences. This alone provides us with more than sufficient justification to push back against this nonsense with every resource at our disposal, up to and including the power of the state.

I understand that you're obviously under the impression that a simple slogan has the power to override an opposing argument, and I can even sympathize with it. After all, who doesn't like simple solutions?
That said, can you provide a substantive rebuttal to my arguments?

The previous post has summarized everything I wanted to say perfectly, so I'll just thank you guys for addressing such topics openly and fearlessly, because a couple years back this would've been a problem in the mainstream, so we need to start openly talking about what we truly think.

still would be tbh

Well, it's a good thing most of us are not trans.

most, how about dam all? ll

Yes, thanks for the correction.
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most, how about dam all? ll

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ok, but at3, is that not simpley because of a current inability to replacate those things? In other words, it's a parcial fix, not a complete fix, but better than no fix at all, no? For instance, prier to hormones being used, one would have much more truble passing as their gender and now that they are relatively accessible most who seriously considder gender transition choos to take hormones. Obviously surgery, especially botom surgery is far les done, but that's because it's much, much harder to reverce and one might not find the trade offs worth it. top surgery in case of ftm transition can be parcially worked around by a binder (bindes brests in place, making them far less visible)and botom surgery, while i think there isn't a less invvasive way of working around it is not a must for passing, tucking or whatever hides outlines in case of mtf, but for ftm i'm pretty sure there's no work around.

The thing that is being overlooked here, and it's huge, is the three letters DNA. They don't lie. Even if a guy has his penis cut off and an artificial vagina is built for him, he'll still be a man. His DNA will tell scientists so in a thousand years when his bones are dug up. The same applies to a woman who had her perfectly healthy breasts removed and an artificial penis attached. I truly feel sorry for such people, as they'll never get what they want, even if looks are convincing enough. They'll always be what they started out to be. Their DNA doesn't lie, and it never will.

Don't get me started on how the trans movement has messed up women's sports. Women are losing titles right and left because of these, um, people.

Now, to one more point. Men do have breasts and with proper manipulation they can produce milk. They're there for the same purpose as women. I don't know if there's an age limit or anything much more about this, but it is possible for men to lactate, just sayin'.