Vote for the future English Community Administrator
Back to Threads Archive#101 tunmi13
Sorry, by last post I meant kaito's
#102 theblack
Btw, for all those who want to reverse their vote. My friend, don't tell me that you weren't trying to make people go back on their decision. In the time that everything had passed, you dedicated yourself to speaking, and instead of taking the lead and saying how much you would change the community, and more proposals, you decided to fall into an abyss. well, nothing. It is in everyone.
Implicitly you are trying to get people to do x thing. Come on friend, we weren't born yesterday.
#103 theblack
And it is not to attack you, it is so that you know what you are doing wrong, and several people can tell you this.
#104 karmien
@theblack I didn't mean it that way. It was a reference to the user that posted in here that they wanted to reverse their vote, i only responded. I don't say anyone should reverse their vote, everyone is free to vote who they want, wether it be me or anyone else. I agree though that the wording could have been understood as if i was trying to imply that a lot of people should try to reverse the vote, which was not the point. But you asked a few questions in the other posts so i glatly respond.
To give the community a good time, it is important to create a positive environment. That means we should keep drama at a minimum level and try to remove toxicity as best as possible, i now this is a tough job for the blind community, but i have heard of no one that won a fight without trying. It is also important to keep nw users coming, so the community should be a place that, when people talk about it on other places, do it in a nice manner which encurages people to try elten. I hope we will get a propper smartphone implementation at some point though, as adleast here in germany, a lot of the younger generation basically only use their computers when they have too. As me using the word we probably suggested, yes, we definitely need a team. No one should handle such a big community on their own, as you always have to see things from different perspectives. No one has no mistakes and these should not get the problem of the community members. For the current size of the elten community i would think about 2 to 4 other moderators should do it, possibly some of the people that already applied for administrator here or we make a new application to be sure. Adleast one more moderator should also be able to not only write but also speak english to ensure everything goes smoothly in the english community conference. From my previous experiences it is also a good idea to bring deversity into an administrative team. When you take all of this into account, are strict about some things like the toxicity and listen to community feetback and actually take it into account and not wait till it fades off like it has gotten the trent in even a lot of sighted communitys, the community should have a good future.
#105 theblack
Sometimes texts can be misinterpreted due to the way they are written, it may be that this happened with your message. but I must say that I liked the proposals. Do you see how things should be done? no need to get into fights or talk about the other candidates
#106 karmien
I have some ideas for that, but i would rather write them down a few hours later if you don't mind. By this point i am a bit tired, here in germany it's already 2am and i should go to bed. But in a few hours i will be on my computer again and write down my ideas here. For now, a good night though.
P. S: take this as an example why a big international community like this one should have a moderation team, already for reasons as simple as timezones.
#107 theblack
That's good. Just as Karmien formulated some proposals, I urge the rest of the candidates to do the same.
This should have been done from the beginning, instead of falling into such unimportant and unhealthy discussions.
#108 karmien
A few things to get started already though. In my opinion, it is really important to show that you are an administrator, but most of the time you are a user like all the others. To ensure everyone is happy, it is also important to only be strict if you have too. What i want to say by that is that you should take every single case where punishment may be issued into account on it's own, of course not ignoring the rules but not beeing 100percent atached to them. To make it more clear, if a user clearly did something by accident you should not get your admingun out right away, just as an example. Also, if we have a moderation team and the team mates are not all clear with a stance, we must if possible find a way that everyone is ok with what their team is doing, even if this may take longer then just making a vote on it or similar. I will say more tomorrow, at this point it's geting hard to type.
#109 karmien
Actually, you are right. As i mentioned before, noone is clear of mistakes and the candidates should have ignored the drama. Only thing what i still stand for, how ever, is that we called arctic moon out for her personal attack. If we just ignored it, it could have come across as us tolerating it or that we would have done similar things and it was just important to clean that up. I, and probably the other candidates, would have also commented on this if it was a user that is not candidating writing this. I just feld it was important to show that i don't accept this behaving and it should not be seen as normal, and i think the others had similar missions.
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That's good. Just as Karmien formulated some proposals, I urge the rest of the candidates to do the same.
This should have been done from the beginning, instead of falling into such unimportant and unhealthy discussions.
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#110 karmien
And one more thing that i see as particularely important is to be transparent, not only in the team but aso to the users, since they are driving this community after all. That means that if things are changed, this must be as clear communicated as possible. Also we should make a log of punishments and why they hapened, and important, where they happened. Since elten has no function to search for posts of a specific user yet, it can get really hard to research if users are interested.
#111 theblack
That is true, I am not saying that there is no opinion, but I believe that before giving opinions, proposals should have been given, as you did a few minutes ago. ArcticMoon is quite strong, and it is true that you should not tolerate anything from anyone. but as candidates, they should take their proposals, and make the community understand the good points that would be gained by voting for x or y. and just as I talked about Karmien, now it's ArcticMoon's turn. And I repeat, it's just advice.
It is better that you change that format that you are applying, I see you as a girl with a lot of potential to lead the community on a good path, but you are just putting the stone in her shoe, as I told Karmien. And ah, if you want to debate this, my private messages are for everyone who wants to speak respectfully.
#112 daszekmdn
Candidate for administrator who don't know that he can edit their post instead double posting which's not the best practice on any forum. Good for you.
#113 Jonathan
Well, I can't read all of those posts, but right now, I do agree to karmien too, you know, when this vote started, I just heard bad about her but I never had a stable reason to not like her at all, because I knew to less, but thats what I meaned with choose your vote carefully, I bet many people voted on her, what is, well. not gonna say a word but you can imagine one your own!
#114 Jonathan
Hmm, well, maybe he wanted to seperate his posts and also, you don't seem to know the respond function because you just can respond to one message in one post.
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Candidate for administrator who don't know that he can edit their post instead double posting which's not the best practice on any forum. Good for you.
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#115 karmien
@dash i edited my posts actually but sometimes it doesn't make sense to edit a post since it is about something else.
#116 fatih
As far as I remember, there was a stick topic called "low of administrative action" or similar topic, where disciplaniry actions were written.
-- (karmien):
And one more thing that i see as particularely important is to be transparent, not only in the team but aso to the users, since they are driving this community after all. That means that if things are changed, this must be as clear communicated as possible. Also we should make a log of punishments and why they hapened, and important, where they happened. Since elten has no function to search for posts of a specific user yet, it can get really hard to research if users are interested.
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#117 ArcticMoon
To be honest seeing all of this I'm not even sure if I really want this and would like to deal with all this mess.
#118 Jonathan
Well wonderful, then we have one more problem out of the world. :-)
Woops? You say that was a personal attack? But I smiled :-) :-) :-)
#119 djsenter
Oh shit, then my vote's wasted, I guess.
#120 ArcticMoon
No, I'll try my best but Jesus, sometimes what an average person can read here makes me think about the fact, that being an administrator of a whole community is not so easy as many users here think.