Hi,

Logged in to Elten in my browser and my keyboard language may have changed, so I apologize in advance for anything that may make it harder for you to understand what I mean.
First off, I kinldy ask that you respond to me via e-mail rather than on this forum, because I can't use my computer properly and it takes quite long me to log in to Elten.
So let me explain the problem:
Yesterday I discovered some screen reader developed and then abandoned by a Turkish developer and wanted to give it a try. It did install and spoke successfully but I wanted to uninstall it because it was just a limited demo/beta version that needed an Internet connection and didn't even detect the one that I had. So I got a window with a title like errors in nvda.exe during installation and the problem persisted after I uninstalled the screen reader. Then I restarted my computer in the hopes of having NVDA working again, but then I got a bunch of other errors. A Javascript error, ABBYY FineReader errors, apps like browsers being reset, GoldWave being unable to create goldwave.xml in its installation directory etc.
So I did some research and found some videos explaining how to solve similar problems with Discord but they required the deletion of the app's data from %appdata% and %localappdata% and restarting and auto-starting some Windows services that we access by typing services.msc. So I could delete the screen reader's folder from %appdata% but then I couldn't even access %localappdata% because I just got an alert stating %localappdata% was not found. And I don't know what service I should reenable and I can't access %localappdata%. So do these errors give you any clues?
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Thanks...

I reset my computer and am back.

din't think that 1 screenreader could totally break your computer

Neither did I.

what's the name of this screen reader? think that it's not nice to spread that in public forum, but if you can, please pm me with it's name, I would search more information about it.

It sounds like that screen reader may have been a virus or something. I've never heard of a screen reader screwing up an entire system like that.

No, there is even a tutorial recorded by someone trying a beta version. And here it is.

Viruses are really hard to cover until some users recognise them. If someone wants a lot of people to download something, they'll do tutorials, they'll say it's awesome, it'll make your life easier, etc etc. Have you ever heard of the programme called Multi extra? It had almost the same pattern.

I know its developer personally. I have not talked to him for quite a while due to his attitude known by some friends here, but I will still talk fairly about him. He is Iraqi and residing in Turkey. He has received coding training here in Turkey and was even interviewed by the media. He is in a desperate financial situation and just wanted to make some money out of the app. Why would he embed some virus in his app that he even made paid after some point? Who would purchase it then? And this same Teknoses whose tutorial I attached to my previous post, was perfectly working on this person's computer as he did the recording.
One more thing is, it is a screen reader we're talking about and it has its own synthesizer. Would you work so hard to make all the recordings for the synthesizer and a 900 MB screen reader and then make it malware only to make everyone discover this sooner or later? Also, such small companies often tend to comply with all the regulations at least until they attract more attention and customers, and have the power and resources to compete with the giants. So even if they do plan to infect our computers at some point, they should wait for the right time when they have more customers and resources.
Want more arguments?

It's all clear this way. Most of us don't understand turkish here, and I don't think many people know he's a well respected developer because we never heard about him.

Well-respected? I didn't say anything like that. I don't even talk to him but I just said I had to be fair. And I used to have Multi Extra on my computer and it used to work well. So I know myself that it is safe.

Is Multi extra safe? Don't think so. Maybe that's why programming experts looked at the source code and found more shady things in it than normal, harmless stuff? Well if someone loves if people steal their data, that's fine on my end, it's not my computer after all.

Edit:
https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/33352/an-update-to-multi-extra/
https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/31538/ive-never-felt-so-angry/
https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/29005/multi-extra/

Will investigate those. Okay, I said it was safe because I trusted that guy and for no other reason. I don't intend to convince anyone because, well, as I said, I just said it was secure because I felt I had to comment on him fairly even though we're no longer friends. So you're sending all those links, and people have posted all the things on those pages, which means that there is at least a possibility of Multi Extra being malware. And then there's you saying people have looked at the source code itself and found malicious content. So chances are, you are right and will reintroduce him to me.

what is this screen reader even called: I'm tempted to try and run this in a vm or something and see if it does any harm or not

See post 11? I think he posted the name of the screen reader there.

It was post 9 aktually, teknoses it's called.