Yet another comment on the situation

Dear Elten Members,
I have received dozens of messages from you concerning this group, and the Polish administration has also drawn my attention to the problem. I must admit, however, that I honestly have no idea what I can do with this community.
As a reminder: we organised elections here, which ArcticMoon won, only to step down immediately afterwards. We then held a second election, which was won by daszekmdn, who also resigned shortly after.
It is not that I fail to see the problem, but I cannot see a solution either, and I say that openly.
I simply do not have the time to manage the English forum, particularly as this community is a very difficult one. We could simply close it down, but is that really the point?
We could just turn the "Reformed Elten English" group into the official one, or scrap everything, since I do not know whether anything can be rebuilt from these ruins, and appoint someone like Sir-Charlie as admin from scratch. To be honest, that is the only option that gives me any hope at all, though it is far from perfect.
But, quite simply, I do not know.
So, if we fail to find any better solution, my current idea is to archive or remove everything and rebuild english community as a completely new group.

no, sir Charlie isn't fit to be an admin.

I also don't think Charlie would be a great admin but hey, that's still better than what we have now. I also don't support blindies who want to be admins on every platform on which there are only blind folks. But after all he is more mature than the current admins

Hey pajper and thank you for the comment. You have maybe red my thread in the pollish group already. In case you didn't and for anyone else who didn't, what I said there is that I think that the reputation of this group is so burned bajond repair at this point (after 5 years with problems) that it would make more sense to archive the entire entire group and make a new one. I also suggested that old threads out of this group could be reorganized and put into the new one if they are legitimate, how ever a team would have to sort that because it's a lot of topics and in some you might have to sort inside as well. As for charlie as admin, although i am still not extremely confident in his skills, he is 100 percent better then the curront solution, and these days it seams like you can somewhat discuss with him about things. Also i am sure that he would build a moderator team which also makes such fatal situations like here less likely to happen if the team is diverse enough.

Yeah the fact that he reacted only when it already had an impact on the polish community as well shows everything to be honest. I liked this program at the beginning, and as I've said many, many times, I was ready to help with whatever I could, but now I'm just hopeless.
p.s.: Yeah, that stand for Ukraine was really mandatory there.

#ReformedEltenEnglishcommunity4win!
-- (pajper):
Dear Elten Members,
I have received dozens of messages from you concerning this group, and the Polish administration has also drawn my attention to the problem. I must admit, however, that I honestly have no idea what I can do with this community.
As a reminder: we organised elections here, which ArcticMoon won, only to step down immediately afterwards. We then held a second election, which was won by daszekmdn, who also resigned shortly after.
It is not that I fail to see the problem, but I cannot see a solution either, and I say that openly.
I simply do not have the time to manage the English forum, particularly as this community is a very difficult one. We could simply close it down, but is that really the point?
We could just turn the "Reformed Elten English" group into the official one, or scrap everything, since I do not know whether anything can be rebuilt from these ruins, and appoint someone like Sir-Charlie as admin from scratch. To be honest, that is the only option that gives me any hope at all, though it is far from perfect.
But, quite simply, I do not know.
So, if we fail to find any better solution, my current idea is to archive or remove everything and rebuild english community as a completely new group.

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My suggestion would be to keep this one but we purge some of the more recent junk threads and move on from there. I don't think Reformed Elten English would be the best solution long term. We tried it out and while it's starting to pick up steam now, this forum has thousands of posts worth of content already meaning that discussions can flow more organically here, whereas over there everyone has to start from scratch.
I know people talk about the problems with the apps, but I think if this forum got a good administration things would be fine.

Hello Pajper,

Why does elten crash every time I want to look at new messages from the what's new menu?

Why 50% of the time I can't access the conferences?

Why do audio files keep getting trimmed at the beginning especially with music?

Why are elten blogs on the web got that filler text?

And why do you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously when you show so little care for this platform in general, and proudly admit you can't administer a slow and dying forum?

You can always just remove this group from the recommended groups menu and not add every new user in here if you actually think it's hopeless, but that takes more effort than putting #standwithukraine in your status and signature, so I doubt you'll do anything.

Arciveing is an option and moveing to reformed, but dk what is the right move atm

I'm sorry but charly isn't fit mentally to be admin, and this is coming from someone who isn't the best moderator out of all of us.

Honestly, the fact Pajper isn't willing or able to actually help out, and is instead like oh we should just either make the reformed community the official one, or make Charlie admin, bla bla bla, and the fact he's only responded way after things got out of hand, its appalling, and not just that, but Elten itself needs more robust systems, quite honestly it would be better if this was in Python, not Ruby. At this point, I don't know what the best solution would be, as all the ones suggested here are plain bad.

maybe we could make an elten-like service

LOL. I love the assumtion that, if Elten would be in another language, we'd have much less issues. Y'all, a programming language only does what it's being told to do. If there are bugs or lags that's purely the programmers fault.
I agree that Python is more common and would help so more people could contribute though.

@Post 10, you seem to be in the minority with that opinion. @11 this community has been failing and crumbling under your leadership, at this point any alternative would be a better one. It doesn't even have to involve me, it just so happens that I've organised the other one which seems to be growing and doing well in contrast to this one.
See here's the thing. You have refused to accept any feedback or criticism instead talking down to anyone who dares raise any points against your moderation. Were you willing to corporate and listen maybe we wouldn't be here and having this discussion at all. But how you make your bed is how you will lay.
EDIT
It also says a lot that Rambo was finally banned for making a personal attack against one of the administrators as opposed to that one thread made about Arctic Moon, which regardless of your opinion of her is in poor taste at best.

No, I've tried to stop the anarchy that has plagued this damn forum, but people have been doing it more and more, and I've tried to fix things, but its like some people can't get a grip.
-- (Sir-Charlie):
@Post 10, you seem to be in the minority with that opinion. @11 this community has been failing and crumbling under your leadership, at this point any alternative would be a better one. It doesn't even have to involve me, it just so happens that I've organised the other one which seems to be growing and doing well in contrast to this one.
See here's the thing. You have refused to accept any feedback or criticism instead talking down to anyone who dares raise any points against your moderation. Were you willing to corporate and listen maybe we wouldn't be here and having this discussion at all. But how you make your bed is how you will lay.
EDIT
It also says a lot that Rambo was finally banned for making a personal attack against one of the administrators as opposed to that one thread made about Arctic Moon, which regardless of your opinion of her is in poor taste at best.

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It would help fix some of the issues like the very slow loading that this thing has at times, it would also be able to have a proper UI, in WX or QT or whatever, which would make things a lot better, then it wouldn't need an addon to work with NVDA, and it would also work with other screen readers. Not just that though, it would also be easier for the moderation system to be improved, as right now its sub par.
-- (rudolf):
LOL. I love the assumtion that, if Elten would be in another language, we'd have much less issues. Y'all, a programming language only does what it's being told to do. If there are bugs or lags that's purely the programmers fault.
I agree that Python is more common and would help so more people could contribute though.

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I'll repead myself: "A programming language does what it's told to do."
If it lags, then very likely due performance issues. Do you know how many things are in Rubi? I tink it's out of question that Rubi generally lags seconds like this.
How would it help the moderation system to be improved? The only thing that prevents it from getting improved right now is that Pajper does not have the time. Wether the moderation systems now were improved in Python or Rubi, what difference does it make?
Regardless, Elten is not in Python and never, never will be.
-- (alchappers):
It would help fix some of the issues like the very slow loading that this thing has at times, it would also be able to have a proper UI, in WX or QT or whatever, which would make things a lot better, then it wouldn't need an addon to work with NVDA, and it would also work with other screen readers. Not just that though, it would also be easier for the moderation system to be improved, as right now its sub par.
-- (rudolf):
LOL. I love the assumtion that, if Elten would be in another language, we'd have much less issues. Y'all, a programming language only does what it's being told to do. If there are bugs or lags that's purely the programmers fault.
I agree that Python is more common and would help so more people could contribute though.

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ruby not rubi, r,u,b,y

Mods, it takes one (1) of you logging in once a day to clean up the mess. It takes at most an hour to look at all the new posts and act accordingly. This is a slow forum even with me Rambo and BigDickRandy contributing original content every day, if you cared about it you can do it.

Of course you would all rather find excuses for why you can't do the easiest jobs in the world that you have while bragging in your signatures how you are moderators of what you yourself admit is utter anarchy.

while ferrumite is usually a piece of sh**t, I agree here